Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Guys, let me begin by saying that although I am a eurosceptic, I did actually vote for remain on Thursday. At this moment in time, the pros of remaining outweighed the cons. However, I do think that with or without my help the EU will eventually self destruct. You can't have 5 or 6 nations paying into a "club" whilst the other 20+ Live off the back of it. Even if we voted to remain, I give the whole EU model 10 years at most.
However, since the result became known, you are all acting in the same way as the people you are attacking constantly for voting to leave.
For supposedly intelligent people, you really need to take a hard look in the mirror. If the level of comments by most of you are indicative of remain, it's hardly surprising that the general public were swayed to vote leave.

 

Yep, as I posted earlier, for many it was some sort of protest vote. "sticking it to the establishment" or "taking back our country"

But I hope and pray the more educated ones who voted out were right about the effect on our economy and our livelihoods. I'd rather be wrong than have to see people and whole communities having to struggle because of the brandead masses who voted on a whim.

 

More so, if time shows they in fact made the right decision for the right reasons.

 

And the reasons of the other 95% who irrationally voted to leave ?

 

Or, a bloody good reason for disenfranchising ****ing morons.,...

 

They were swayed to vote leave because the Remain campaign was largely incompetent and impotent. All of us are as critical of Remain as we are the Brexit campaigners. I don't think the voters on either side swayed the other at all tbh. It was largely down to negative campaigning and scaremongering on both sides. That's why so many people are now coming out with such unintelligent and irrational reasons for why they voted out. That's not just a criticism of them, but also the lack of any real responsible democratic process in the campaigning.

 

The "5%" refers to those who decided the outcome, not the total % who voted leave.

 

I don't disagree with any of what you have written above, but I was referring to what's gone on, on this board since the result was announced. Do you not see the irony of claiming that the majority of the brexit voters are somehow not at the same level of intelligence of you guys, but refer to them as chavs, ****wits, morons, divs, racists etc.etc.
So the bottom line is that your bigoted views are no better than the people you care to attack.

 

Nobody said all! But sadly, yes, far too many are clueless ****wits running around with a mandate to **** up everybody else's future!...

 

I think what's happened is that people are starting to understand the ramifications from a personal perspective.

For example...

They listened and applauded when Nigel said "so what" about the GBP tanking. After all, we're British and it's our GBP.

Now that it's tanked they've looked into what it means for them and realised that their summer holiday is suddenly going to be more expensive.

They don't like that and would like to change their vote please!

 

Some of them have a "huge" mandate.

 

Firstly I've NEVER said it's the majority of Brexit voters.

Secondly, there's more to it than that mate. It's not one or the other and that's the problem. There's no denying that there were significant swells of opinion that were xenophobic, unintelligent, amd irrational. The trouble is that the other side would have none of it, denied ANY of their lot were like that. The remain lot then respond by focusing on it even more. In the end the whole thing becomes polarised.

Tbh at least those who were voting out of conviction did so for a reason. The one's who voted for irrational or unintelligent reasons are the ones that really **** me off. And as RBDB pointed out earlier, it's that 5% that could have swung it one way or the other.

 

I think you were right the first time, when you said that 5% of the electorate who voted to leave did so rationally.

 

If it's that 5%, yes unfortunately...

But hey, that's democracy...

 

When the history is writ, it will show that UKIP was the spark, Tory fear of UKIP was
the designer of the engine, and the proclaimed Labour "core vote" topped the fuel
tank up to full.

 

"HSBC would move up to 1,000 staff from London to Paris if the UK left the single market, following Britain's vote to leave the EU, the BBC understands.

The staff who would be relocated would be those who already process payments made in euros for HSBC in Canary Wharf."

 

A perfect (****) Storm

 

Again, I don't disagree with what you have written above, however I'm not sure you read what I had written.
I, like you, cringe when the news channel, interviews a male or female standing there with the Union Jack t-shirts, claiming that "Jonny foreigner" has stolen the job that they have never had or wanted. However, I do think you are being a little naive if you don't appreciate that these interviews are somehow "stage managed" to paint the picture that there paymasters want to portrait. It's not known as the "biased broadcasting company" for nothing!

However, in my opinion, the remain posters on here, have and are behaving in the same way as the people you are trying to ridicule. Do you not see the irony in that?

 

I think this has been dismissed as not true. I will try to find the link.

 

You can blame the absence of any significant core Labour vote on that useless waste of oxygen, Corbyn!

Any half way credible or competent Labour leader would have been out there rallying support.