Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Despite being a leave voter I did try to point this out to people in the lead up to the final vote. Having access to the common market despite leaving the EU, is one of the important parts of leaving the EU but maintaining a healthy economy and that one of the likely conditions of continued access to the common market (which the EU will want us to remain a part of) will be a compromise on the free movement of labour/people. It is a compromise I am happy to make to maintain trade levels with the EU whilst also being able to forge our own destiny with trade deals globally beyond the borders of the EU.

And regardless of my preference being for an Australian style immigration system that I do think would increase the benefit of immigration to our country (and let me be clear I do think, despite localised immigration issues, immigration is a positive thing), I would be happy to compromise on free movement of labour/people if we need to, to keep access to the common market whilst also gaining the benefits of doing trade deals outside of the EU.

I genuinely feel bad for the people who have voted purely on an anti-immigration stance (though many have voted for control of immigration rather than to stop immigration) because; again, despite me being a leave voter, they most likely have been mislead on how immigration will work post brexit as the economic deals are far more important than the immigration point which, though we would like to reform the system, is a small issue in the grand scheme of things.

For the last decade I have taken a keen interest in the EU debate and I'd imagine I have read more than the average person. It has been the key political issue I have aligned myself with (along with drug law reform) and through my studies of economics, my own experiences and discussions with people from all walks of life and backgrounds around Europe I came to a conclusion about what I thought was best for the UK. Right or wrong my decision on how to vote was influenced by a long standing interest in the topic, extensive research over a period of time, studying relevant academic subjects and a love for my country and other people in general.

Unfortunately I do feel like many people in this referendum voted without taking into consideration the big picture, on both sides of the argument people were swayed by scaremongering, exaggeration and misleading statistics and points of view. Despite getting the outcome I had hoped for (and I am pleased) I do have a certain level of sadness about the lack of honest information and campaigning and feel many people will have made a decision they don't understand and will potentially regret. Democracy has been enacted, but it could have been done better and on a more honest platform and then I wouldn't have the bad taste in my mouth from the overall dissapointing nature of the campaigns on both sides and could properly enjoy victory for a cause I genuinely believe in.

 

That bit I cant see happening, thats why the OUTERS won, so maybe a limited number will be allowed in, but not a free for all

 

Will Nigel now sack his German wife and employ someone British to be his secretary or will he stand by his laughable excuse that she's the only person who can do the job? Not that I'm suggesting it's a hypocritical fiddle to put more UKIP money in the Farage family coffers.

 

He will not be an MEP for much longer, he is a stocks trader and will earm much more doing that.

But just think LORD Farage of Thanet, thats sounds great

 

I voted Remain, although my desire to punish the UK politniks for their hubris and the EU
for what it now is, is very strong.

 

He is the obvious heir to Lord Haw Haw.

 

So two other good things that will come of this.

1) Cameron has resigned Awesome, wasnt expecting him to announce it so soon but YAY!!
2) UKIP will disband, seeing as their work here is done, UKIP will f**k off and melt back in to the Tory party I suspect.

Cameron and Corbyn did not do themselves any favours in this referendum.
Cannot really see how Corbyn can stay as Leader of the Opposition either. I know he actually despises the EU and most likely voted leave, but was towing the Labour party line, but still, he could have used this referendum smartly, and he didn't. Maybe we will see a proper, viable Labour party come out of this too,

 

... well now that we have taken measures to close the borders to those wanting to come here and work I hope the first thing that happens is that the benefit rules are tightened up considerably ...compulsorary community work for the long term unemployed ... benefits packages to now be comprised mainly of non cash element - mainly monthly groceries and clothing vouchers with minimal cash ... but any cash allowance to be based on said community work ... monthly medicals to establish fitness to work ... and monthly job seeker interviews where they produce evidence of their job searching ...

General Stereotype

 

I'd have to disagree, Bod. I worked in The City, there's nothing they hate more than uncertainty. Money will fly out of the U.K., Sterling will drop with it. It's already at its lowest level for 30 yrs against the dollar.

The 'divorce' will take 2+ yrs, creating more uncertainty. The economy will contract. All your seeing now are the opening salvos, the real 'fun' has yet to start!...

 

The **** is gonna pay for that?
NHS is packed enough as it is.

 

Im not ****ing wearing Lonsdale.

 

.. simples .. the first element of the benefit package ... get the fookers to contribute to the NHS instead of just taking from it ...

 

... there is the element of an idea there

 

We only have uncertainty right now because the vote came in 5 hours ago. Once people realise that nothing has fundamentally changed in the last 12 hours, the panic will dissipate. There is too much money to be made in the UK trades market for everyone to pull out, and stay out. What we saw was an initial panic to the result. I see it lasting a month at most before it starts on its way back up.

Once we get a new PM in, get our Brexit strategy sorted and agree FTA's in principle with the EU and US for when we have left, it will be business as usual.

 

When does the flag get changed to this?

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For all you musicians out there!.,.what a twat!...

 

I actually think (whatever individually we may think of Cameron, good or bad...or really bad) that he should of held of slightly longer on the announcement for the sake of adding an extra elements of stability amongst the uncertainty,coven if only for a short period of time, though I completely understand why he felt the need to step down.

As for UKIP I had assumed this was the ultimate goal and beyond what any of them actually expected to achieve but from the latest comments it would seem they are either angling for positions within the next government or to become part of the negotiating team for the EU separation deal. Personally I think now that we have got the out vote I can't see myself seeing them as the best party for me to vote for in the future and I think many others will be the same.

And I agree Corbyn has shown himself to be a weak leader, unable to stand for what he lives in or alternatively rally his party together and put forward a strong front. He isn't capable as the opposition and our country needs better. I don't expect him to last until the next general election.

 

I actually agree with this tbh afc.
I was hoping he would resign at some point, but was in no way expecting him to announce it this early.
You are right, he should have let the panic subside before he made this announcement and fanned the flames.

 

"Mr Tusk added: "We are determined to keep our unity as 27."
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