From watching the footage. Remy initiates contact and it's quite clear. I'm not entirely sure how the ref, myself, and the FA have all mis-seen something that you seem to have seen perfectly.
The FA haven't expressed a view on it so it's just the ref and you. The ref thought fit to send them both off which made more sense than just one of them even if it was still a bit soft. If Johnson didn't do what he did, neither of them would have gone. It was a nothing incident. EDIT: I stand corrected; I thought Newcastle didn't appeal but it seems they did. My mistake. EDIT again: Here's the video: http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/Loic_Remy_Red_Card_Norwich-1.gif You can clearly see Remy makes no forward movement with his head. Unless the ref reported that his red was for the push to the chest (which seems unlikely) then the decision to uphold one red card but overturn the other is frankly ridiculous.
How the **** has Carroll remained under a ban? Unbelievable stuff from the FA. You just know that had that been Rooney, not Carroll, it would be rescinded straight away.
He swung his elbow at Flores' head, how can you say there was no intent? It was an unnatural movement.
He was turning round to look towards the ref. It's not a red. If he was going to intentionally elbow him, he would have. And Chico would've had a reason to go down. Laudrup didn't even think it was a red ffs. If he thought it was a red he would have said. In fact, not many people at all think it was a red card.
He raises his arm, points the elbow, and swings around. He only missed because he wasn't looking. If he'd looked and connected that'd be a much longer ban.
How can you point an elbow when your arm is near enough straight? It's not a red. It is not deliberate at all imo. You might think it is, but that's your opinion. You aren;t going to change my mind. The FA have cocked up here for me, as they do on way too many occasions.
And the opinion of the ref, and the FA who did not rescind the ban. I don't get people who argue with this sort of decision. I can understand appealing the Shagger one, which I was doing, but if it goes to the FA, who have the benefit of video replays, and it's upheld, how can you argue?
Because the FA, and referees, get a lot of decisions wrong. Also, if Carroll's was a supposed red card, then so was McGregor's.
Yep, and I've since accepted it was a red. I didn't mean I'm currently appealing against it lol, I meant at the time.
the thing that everyone seems to be forgetting, is there intent? Sagbo didn't touch that other player when he tried to give him a Glaswegian Kiss. It isn't about how hard the player is hit, it's whether the intention to hit is there. Even if Carrol spun round unintentionally and brushed Chico on the top of the head (OK his throwing himself to the ground was a bit exaggerated) but any contact to the head or face is a red card offence. Bottom line is that Carrol should have been in a better position in order to receive the ball or the cross should have been more accurate. Brady's penalty was a penalty because he felt a push, whether it was enough to knock him off balance or not isn't the point. It is about another player pushing him out of the way so that they can cheat and get in a better position.
I agree. Notwithstanding Flores' cheating and rolling around like he'd been shot AND the fact that he probably fouled Carroll first, Andy definitely swung his elbow with intent. It was a completely unnatural move. And it cant be a booking - it's either no foul or a red. The only reason people are annoyed and claiming he shouldnt be banned is because he didnt connect with the swing of his elbow and it is nauseating to see a fellow professional cheat another one. If Carroll had been more accurate neither of these would apply and we'd be calling Carroll the disgrace, not Flores.
Absolutely. Cheating is fabricating contact or intent that isn't there. Neither Johnson or Flores cheated in my book. However as I initially said, I still have no time for what either of them did. Calling someone is a cheat is a very strong thing to say.
