England Squad

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No Kane No Gain

No Kane No Gain

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Clearly Hodgson has learnt his lesson about about not including Tottenham players, they were woeful without them at the World Cup so Townsend and Rose come in.

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Joe Hart (Manchester City)

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Calum Chambers (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Everton)

Midfielders: Jack Colback (Newcastle United), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal) Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

Forwards: Rickie Lambert (Liverpool), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)


Delighted that Delph is finally getting a look in, he's the best central midfielder we have available. Still not sure what the likes of Clyne, Huddlestone, Livermore, Davies and Dyer have to do to get a look in and think it's far too early to be bringing Chambers and Stones in but hey-ho, they're the 2 England players with the most hype around them at the moment so of course they get picked regardless.

I can only assume the fact that we've left our best striker out of the squad is due to Kane having a knock. Hopefully he won't be out too long.
 
Joke as usual.

Phil Jones? Don't wind me up.

Townsend's barely played. Wilshere is overrated. Lambert and Welbeck are back-ups at their clubs. Has Milner kicked a ball this season?

Huddlestone, Livermore, Dier (best English defender so far in season, 2 clean sheets and 2 goals), Davies, Defoe and Rodwell should be in. Sounds Spurs-biased but all players have been playing for their clubs and performing well.
 
Woy is a ****ing idiot and I'm very pissed off.


Colback over Thudd? <laugh>

Jones over Dier or C.Davies? <laugh>


Woy, please **** off ASAP.
 
Quite an experimental looking squad that.

Not sure Rose will get much of a look in for England, ever. Baines has never impressed me much for England but his Everton form will ensure he's always number one and Shaw is the media darling so will always be above in the pecking order.

Out of all defenders in the Premier League this season only Ivanovic ranks above Dier... Chambers is a little behind <whistle>

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A few names in there that baffle me as to what they've done to justify continued selection... Jones, Welbeck, Milner, Wilshere. And agree with all of YV's suggestions for inclusion, all deserve a shot, many have deserved one for years.
 
Rooney Captain too.

In what way is that granny-shagging, scouse-born inbred a good choice to skipper our country?

Goes missing in the major tournaments and his attitude stinks.

Yes he can be a great player on his day but great players don't necessarily make great leaders and he's an example.
 
Whoever is picked, England are still lacking in international standard players. Give young players a chance, but don't be under any illusions that England could be a strong team if the manager just happened to pick the right players.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
Whoever is picked, England are still lacking in international standard players. Give young players a chance, but don't be under any illusions that England could be a strong team if the manager just happened to pick the right players.
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Yes we are woefully short of quality. It's a shame that the one generation we had in 50 years which actually had some quality, 2000-2010, totally squandered all of their chances.
 
Our best left back since the Premier league started finally gets a England call up and gets to play alongside players like Phil Jones.
 
Spurs or Sex? said:
Joke as usual.

Phil Jones? Don't wind me up.

Townsend's barely played. Wilshere is overrated. Lambert and Welbeck are back-ups at their clubs. Has Milner kicked a ball this season?

Huddlestone, Livermore, Dier (best English defender so far in season, 2 clean sheets and 2 goals), Davies, Defoe and Rodwell should be in. Sounds Spurs-biased but all players have been playing for their clubs and performing well.
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Really disagree about Dier, as I do with Stones and Chambers. They're young and haven't proven anything yet, they need to knuckle down and get a full season under their belt at their clubs. You shouldn't be fast tracked to the England team on short term form and hype, a call up should be earned by performing in the long term. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having them work their way through the under 21s, look at how many of the Spain team played together regularly at under 21s before going on into the first team and winning things.

From a purely fan's perspective I'm sick of seeing the samething happen again and again. Smalling, Cleverley and Zaha were never good enough for England and getting picked in the squad clearly hasn't helped their careeers so why waste time on more players that aren't ready? Even Henderson and Sterling were getting picked long before they were ready and ended up getting dropped again to be brought back in later when they've proved themselves ready and I don't see that doing them any harm.

littleDinosaurLuke said:
Whoever is picked, England are still lacking in international standard players. Give young players a chance, but don't be under any illusions that England could be a strong team if the manager just happened to pick the right players.
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Why give young players a chance? Just give players that have proven themselves a chance. We do the samething everytime. If we've learnt anything from the last World Cup it's that balanced teams do far better than having the most talented players just thrown together. You can dismiss the quality of the players that have been left out in the past but there's no basis for it. When has Delph let England down, when has Caulker given a series of lathargic performances for his country, who's to say the players that have been ignored or are on the fringes can't become like Lallana, Lambert, Carrick, etc that don't establish themselves as great players until later in their careers. In 10 years time I want us to be talking about our exciting tournament performances, like in Euro '96, rather than congratulating another retiring generation of 100 cap flops that never produced anything like what they did for their clubs.
 
Boss said:
Ekotto was a cult figure, more loved for his personality and relaxed style but in terms of ability, Danny Rose is our best Premier league left back.
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No way mate.

Rose was part of one our worst defences last season we've had in the Premier League and was arguably the worst of the bunch, a bright start this season granted but by no means makes him better than Benny who was super consistent for the most part and was part of our defence who achieved it's record amount of goals conceded in the Prem at WHL a few years back. Rose may have the potential to one day be better but he's certainly not at the standard Benny was when he was in his prime.

In my opinion of course :)
 
Yid Vicious said:
Really disagree about Dier, as I do with Stones and Chambers. They're young and haven't proven anything yet, they need to knuckle down and get a full season under their belt at their clubs. You shouldn't be fast tracked to the England team on short term form and hype, a call up should be earned by performing in the long term. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having them work their way through the under 21s, look at how many of the Spain team played together regularly at under 21s before going on into the first team and winning things.
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What do they need to prove though? Many of the so called senior players failed to prove they're international calibre when performing for England. Dier's had over 20 senior games for Sporting Lisbon between the ages of 18-20 and then joined us and arguably been our best player in the opening games. I don't think he has much more to actually prove apart from consistency through out the season. We've constantly stuck with the same underachieving players in England squads and then moan we haven't blooded through any youngsters/ fresh talent.

I'd happily see an England squad with fresh faces than stick with the same bunch who've let their country down time and time again. If the youngsters don't perform, then it's same old, same old from an England perspective. If they do, happy days.
 
Spurs or Sex? said:
What do they need to prove though? Many of the so called senior players failed to prove they're international calibre when performing for England. Dier's had over 20 senior games for Sporting Lisbon between the ages of 18-20 and then joined us and arguably been our best player in the opening games. I don't think he has much more to actually prove apart from consistency through out the season. We've constantly stuck with the same underachieving players in England squads and then moan we haven't blooded through any youngsters/ fresh talent.

I'd happily see an England squad with fresh faces than stick with the same bunch who've let their country down time and time again. If the youngsters don't perform, then it's same old, same old from an England perspective. If they do, happy days.
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I didn't say anything about the regular England players being good enough.

Dier played in the Portuguese league which is much weaker than the Premier League, Ings scored 20 goals in the Championship. Neither player can have proven themselves in the Premier League in such a short time, there have always been flash in the pans, players that burst onto the scene and then struggle, let these players prove at their clubs and with the under 21s that they don't fall into that catergory, it does them no harm whatsoever whilst there are plenty of players that burn out early having been thrown straight into everything when they're still very young.
 
Why must we be bored to tears with all this nonsense about England already! I literally couldn't care less...
 
Wandering Yid said:
Why must we be bored to tears with all this nonsense about England already! I literally couldn't care less...
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Would you (we) care more if England where any good? The more crap England produce, the less fans care about supporting the country!
 
Boss said:
Would you (we) care more if England where any good? The more crap England produce, the less fans care about supporting the country!
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Possibly.

If England had had a reasonably respectable World Cup I might be more enthused.

If Roy could name a single player in his squad who I consider to be world class I might be more enthused.#

The fact that neither of the above are true, this round of internationals coming so soon after the World Cup is ****ing unbearable.
 
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