Good enough for us to win, as that Albanian bird was absolutely crap, she only knew one word, and she had more votes than us.
It wont matter who represented us we would still come bottom or near the bottom, it to political and not worth the votes that people vote in with, ....If we had a referendum tomorrow the vote for leaving europe and their declining euro would be overwhelming...We are forced by Brussels to pay Billions to prop up the euro while our own country is going down hill fast....get the hell out i say and save our cash for our own country so we can put the GREAT back into Great britain...
My sentiments exactly, Dai. Well said. Mind you, not as straightforward as one would think. There'd be a price to pay because Europe is our biggest trading partner..... but worth it in the long run imo.
But it's not that simple , since we have joined the EU we have got closer ties with all these countries there, it will effect trade so it will effect jobs. If the euro goes it will effect everything around the world , we won't be able to hide from the effects even if we left now. And as we get most of what we have paid in back it doesn't cost as much as you think. I am for closer ties with Europe as they tie in closer with us than the yanks or the far east, we go alone if there is such a thing and you will find life will suddenly get that much harder.
european countries would still trade with us like we will trade with them, we were wrong to join and we were right to keep the pound. Why should we put more money into the pot to save the euro than the stable European countries like Germany who have told brussels what they can afford....we get told what we must put in and its a lot more than the rest of them. In fact brussels rule this country in the background telling us what we must and cannot do. just look at the human rights issue for god sake, If something needs a shake up that does. ...the longer we stay in europe the deeper in the **** we will sink....Lets ditch this lot and grab back our country and use the billions of aid we give away building the country back to where it was.....use the money to get the masses back to work making British goods instead of jobs declining or moving to europe because its cheaper, build British factories for British workers and pay a livable wage and stop these European workers taking British jobs with foreign owners for less pay..... BE PROUD STAND UP FOR BRITAIN.........there endeth a political party broadcast by the right to work party...
We should have done what the Russians done and pick old biddies to represent us !!! Oh hang on we did...
I all for Britain Superswan, what I am not for is the 51st state of america which leaving the EU will lead to, we will become the lackeys of america! As for Germany, they put in the most money into Europe followed by France, so don't tell me that the UK puts in more as its untrue, we also get back the rebate which accounts to about a thrid of what we put in before we get subsidies etc back. Putting money into jobs if we leave the UK is a fallacy as we will lose hugely in the job market! Industry has gone from the UK it will never return as its far cheaper to buy in China and ship across the world than build it here. We have been part of Europe for almost 40 years, there is no way that we can pull out and it doesn't effect us, UKIP always use the Swiss and Norway arguments, they have never been in the EU so they have not tied their economies like us with Europe, and the world has vastly changed since that decision. We are a small economy by going it alone it means our stock will slip even lower than it is now
who wants to be the 51st state of America??? Why?? ..We are a well educated country who are civilised enough to run our own country, we dont need anyone to tell us what to do as we are not a third word country (YET).. Let us decide whats best for our people and not Brussels or the USA or any other regime.....Stand up for once and say NO when other countries tell us what we must do...as it stands now we are declining fast, the British people are getting fed up of living standards dropping at a rate of knots. Our government is giving away to much money when we need it and the government then has to introduce pathetic taxes like the pasty tax to subsidize what they are giving to other countries.....why increase the vat when it should be coming down or better still be abolished, its because we give to much money away and we enter to many wars that we cant afford, The country is slowly being strangled and dragged down because we are not standing on our own feet and looking after our own affairs.....we are more concerned about looking after every other bloody country and the people are fed up of it....
Thing is Superswan if we leave the EU things will become more difficult, you are describing in simplistic terms what to do, the reality is a country is a very complex thing, small things will and does have a huge effect on many aspects of life. Abolishing vat for example is never ever going to happen as it raises revenue for the government. We are not an empire anymore and are a very small player on the world stage as other economies eclipse us, if we left the eu that will mean we will fall further behind. The 51st state is what we will become because we cannot stand alone, I mean that economically not politically by the way. I would like to discuss this further but this is football forum and this will bore the crap out of people I think.
The country is to divided as it is with the break up of the uk a real possability, Scotland and to a lesser extent Wales wanting indipendence the implications of pulling out of Europe as well could be very damaging, mores the pity . If we could elect people with 100% focus on putting Britain first and everyone pulling thier weight to become competative and sharing the workloads and gains more evenly as incentive then we could thrive but that ain`t gonna happen in a society thats been allowed to evolve based on greed to date is it ?
as long as multi millionaires run the country then the poor man will be forced to beg.....and that goes for all parties. I have been a member of the labour party since i was 18 and i dont mean new labour either. tony blair was thatchers love child and dont represent the real labour party and never will. the sooner we get these posh boys out and elect normal real people the better this country will be. I dont like the word hate but i really hate the way these posh multi millionaires of any party suppressing the rest of us....unfortunately until people wake up and do something about it and get out there and vote and not say it wont change so i wont bother then things will only get worse as the fat cats get richer and the poor get poorer......this country is full of corrupt politicians of every persuasion...
I smell a pollotics sticky proposal coming up ! all in favour say aye !!...........................naye
Swantastic within 30 years the UK as it is now will exist no more, we will be 4 independant countries within a federal system and the Queen will remain as head of state for each. Roll on i say
I despise the silly rules (directives) that come out of Brussels - the new cookie rule for website owners being an example. Utterly preposterous. That said you can't stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the EU doesn't exist. Gone are the days of manufacturing and we depend heavily on the EU for trade. The US is a powerful country when it comes to trade as are China and the catching-up-fast India. Little Englanders need to wake up and smell the coffee. We are an insignificant country on our own with a massive population to support but the EU is a hugely influential and powerful trading block. Waving the flag singing Rule Britannia makes us feel good but is not very pragmatic. Didn't Confucius say that one finger is weak, but put them together and a fist is strong? Just my view.
It's purely a political dick waving contest, nothing to do with talent. The "big five" should pull out.
Yes, it's a very blunt point, but it's pretty clear that at least since the split up of the Soviet Union and its satellites, the contest has got a bit...well, crap. I mean really, if taxpayers money is going towards it (albeit it's a drop in the ocean compared to wider waste in government spending) why bother? Unless all countries are willing to pay a similar amount for maintaining it so the big five don't have to, which they wouldn't. A decent point. Leaving the EU would really put the final nail in the coffin. However, the Euro is a dying currency that we should avoid. The EU needs to survive this; people underestimate just how key it is to the world economy. All of the EU states, when combined, create a bigger GDP/GNP unit than the US or China. Someone mentioned Scotland by the way; Scotland becoming independent would be a disaster for Scotland. Contrary to the opinion of many England does not particularly bankroll Wales, rather Wales does actually sustain itself, and of course England is the economic heavyweight of the nation. Scotland has oil. That's it. There was a decent article in the Economist describing the for and against arguements of Scottish independence, and concluded that it likely would have long lasting economic damage. When the oil runs out (which it will, and the independence proposals would see England and Wales retaining the gas fields) Scotland will face many issues; 1. Joining an EU in turmoil, which may prove difficult. 2. Currency. The Euro is dying and they would never be able to retain the Pound. Result? Economic collapse. 3. Immediatley becoming unable to sustain it's generous welfare capacity (which the rest of the UK bankrolls in return for natural resources revenue, which will plummet in 10-30 years). 4. Having to handle the fallout of military division. Parliament would not allow the scrapping of Trident and Scotland, as an independent entity, would have about as much influence on NATO as Sealand. Then again neither does Ireland and they don't care. That is just a few of the issues. The UK's four countries are perhaps more dependent economically on their interaction with each other than Salmond and his cronies think. Anyway, went off on a bit of a tangent there, but you get my point. Probably. I'm terrible at communicating.
