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Discussion in 'Shrewsbury' started by Matster, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Matster

    Matster Well-Known Member
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    With today's result and a touch of descent shown by subs are Askey's days over?
     
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    This side is currently very frustrating as it cannot seem to string two good performances together. We do seem to have the players to do OK in this league (though not as good as last years team in my opinion) but in the end it is the manager and coaching team's job to get the players fit and motivated. I would personally give Askey until Christmas to show us he can do it but would make a change if we are in the relegation zone then. IF Askey does go should we have Hurst back? The manner of his departure and his antics on the touchline at Wembley still rankle but then I think back to the vast majority of games last season when his team ran their socks off, never gave up and played some pretty decent football at times and the answer for me is yes - I would have him back.
     
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  3. Zenfootball2

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    i just dont understand it 3/5/2 wonderful game everything you could wont to see from a town tea, then oxford who have lost five games at home and the same players and same formation with 9 players who did not turn up and according to the radio both Angol and Docherty looked unhappy to be subbed and had words with askey before going off

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/spor...tions-his-players-desire-after-oxford-defeat/

    "They've got to realise and hold themselves accountable because it wasn't down to tactics or anything to do with shape, it was just down to a lack of desire today which is disappointing for a manager."

    what concerned me as much as the result was the total capitulation,zero fight back and lack of leadership on the pitch.
     
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    Askey is now in a very difficult position after himself saying he may be one game away from the sack. Generally honesty is to be applauded but I am not sure that was a good move on his part when something like a bad refereeing decision could go against us and help to cause a loss. I hope we can win at Wimbledon and become more consistent but who knows what to expect from this team. If we do avoid defeat and he stays at least we should field a strong side against Salford as a good run in the cup would be great to cheer everyone up a bit. If he was to go I cannot see Hurst returning as that could well be too divisive - as I said I would have him back but I suspect they would go for someone currently out of work - Gary Bowyer as mentioned on B and A might be a good shout.
     
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    A win, first away win. However not a resounding success based on the squad in first half.

    Also no talk at end of the game.
     
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    I dont think Askey would have survived a loss and it did not sound pretty but a win is a win and we move on. Lets play our strongest side (whatever that is!) against Salford and try to string two decent performances together. Askey must have been under a lot of strain this week and is not the most natural of interviewees so he can be forgiven his non-appearance after the game. It would be great if this is the start of the turnaround and surely Askey is better qualified than most to know what it takes to defeat non-league opposition. Every game is vital for the players to get some confidence back and a settled formation and more consistency in team selection would help.
     
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    when have an inconstant team we have had stages in games were we have played some nice football and lost or drawn.the concern is when the team have had lengthy spells in a match were they dont turn up we have had 3 or 4 half's and the oxford game were we did that. somwere somehow we manged to get a win . we have to get this team fighting and doing the basics right .
     
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    A little bit of consistency is the next phase needed, obviously in playing well AND winning a few of the games! Still need to sort out this lethargy that arises during the match.
     
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    the lethargy is baffling and frustrating to watch, 17 games in and we are still struggling for consistency,who would be a manager .i dont remember any town been on the end of so much sustained criticism.
     
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    Interesting antics after the Askey story in the Sun this morning. Despite Caldwell's denial he did not offer Askey any support and I suspect that the writing may be on the wall and there is no way back for the manager. I do have sympathy with Askey and it is probably only a rapid upturn in form that will allow him to keep his job.
     
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    i just hope this does not become the norm. i did not like the booing or chanting Askey out he is a human being and does not deserve to be treated like that .i cant say i did not have concerns because i did , but we dont wont to be dictated too by vocal fans or keyboard warriors .
    i really dont wont this club to be yet another revolving door club .

    i wish Askey all the best
     
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    At the end of the day it was probably the right decision - he never looked as if he was the man to take the club forward. He did have some money to spend but it looks as if the recruitment has been substandard. The style of play has been awful - we look like a non-league side and the players have looked unfit and demotivated at times. His coaching staff were very inexperienced and seemed to be learning on the job. The results have improved slightly but the performances have been very inconsistent even when the same team has been selected.
    I understand what you are saying Zen but the days of new managers getting even a season's grace are long gone.(as are the days of long-serving players) I disapprove of the chanting at the end of Sunday's game and do wish Askey well. Despite what he has said I suspect he will go back to Macclesfield. As for us we looked like a side waiting to be relegated and a new manager could well be a big improvement. I suspect Gary Bowyer has already been lined up and that would be a good fit for us.
     
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    i agree with everything you say and the performances were a source of concern but i just dont like the way it was done .
     
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    I think with the growth of social media it is very difficult to keep the lid on a situation like this because rumours can be spread instantly. That story in the Sun which was so vigorously denied by Caldwell seems to have been on the right lines - I suspect there have been discussions in the club about Askey's future for weeks and that was leaked by someone. Askey turned out to be an old school manager - he did not go out of his way to cultivate the fans or the press and as far as I know did little about promoting the club in the local community. If he had been a bit more streetwise in these ways he may have lasted long enough for the results to take an upturn and for him to keep his job.
     
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    Gary Bowyer out of contention
    Michael Flynn liking the attention

    Someone's suggested Barnsley's Greg Abbott too.

    Any other suggestions?
     
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    I am a bit surprised Bowyer is not interested as he has been out of work for a while and surely it would be a better club environment to work in than Blackpool. I would have Hurst back but clearly Roland feels he cannot work with him and it is the chairman's club so I respect his decision. I am not overenthused by Flynn or Ricketts who are admittedly doing well but it may be early in their careers to step up to League2. It will probably be someone who is not on the bookie's list at all and I do not have a clue who.
     
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    i dont have any suggestions as i dont have a clue but listening to Caldwell and i may be reading to much in to it but my take on it was they were looking for someone from the lower leagues
     
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