Election 2024

[Welshie]

Are the extras not allocated to a particular place then?

You're the regional list MP for in Scotland's case, Glasgow, so your constituency is the "Glasgow region"

So if you ran in a London borough, didn't win, but were on your parties London list, you might end up representing your voters in London anyway as a London regional MP.

It's done through a calculation and takes into consideration how many seats a party won nationwide.

If there's 325 seats available through the constituencies and Labour won 250, you'll break down vote shares at the regional level based on how properly represented Labour are.

SNP for example got 38% of the vote but won 50% of the Parliament through FPTP so they received zero regional list MPs.

 

[PINKIE]

You're just running on the premise that coalitions are fundamentally flawed and wrong and the system should avoid them.

It's a blinkered view of things.

What's the point in you voting for Greens for example, its essentially a waste of effort going down to the polling office, with their current numbers they're at best going to get a handful of MPs

But at the same time you wouldn't want them near the government as its a dreaded coalition.

What's the point?

I did mention earlier that coalition could work if there was more cooperation. Im not fundamentally opposed to the proposition, I just think in practice it ends up with either a watered down version and an inept govt, or making deals with fringe extremists who make demands that in a majority govt you wouldn’t entertain. Which is what you see in Israel. And to an extent happened in NI and when the DUP were propping up the Tories (although that was an ‘arrangement’ rather than a coalition)

 

[Welshie]

I did mention earlier that coalition could work if there was more cooperation. Im not fundamentally opposed to the proposition, I just think in practice it ends up with either a watered down version and an inept govt, or making deals with fringe extremists who make demands that in a majority govt you wouldn’t entertain. Which is what you see in Israel. And to an extent happened in NI and when the DUP were propping up the Tories (although that was an ‘arrangement’ rather than a coalition)

But thats not true Pinkie because the last 16 years of government in this country has consistently entertained fringe ideas and groups.

Brexit would not have happened if the Tory government had to be in coalition with the Lib Dems.

 

[The RDBD]

Clegg should have gone with Labour.

Why ??
Labour would have had to form a 4+ party
coalition just to get a majority of 1.

 

[brb]

But thats not true Pinkie because the last 16 years of government in this country has consistently entertained fringe ideas and groups.

Brexit would not have happened if the Tory government had to be in coalition with the Lib Dems.

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[PINKIE]

But thats not true Pinkie because the last 16 years of government in this country has consistently entertained fringe ideas and groups.

Brexit would not have happened if the Tory government had to be in coalition with the Lib Dems.

That's come about largely because the Tories had both a reliance on the DUP and then a fractious group that wanted to leave the EU and threatened to jump ship to Farage unless Cameron gambled on a referendum, so they were compromised by nationalists.

The Lib dems were impotent in that coalition and I don't think they would have stopped the tide of Tory MPs who wanted out of the EU.

At best it would have delayed Brexit, but those who pushed the country into a referendum were either going to force Cameron's hand (as they did) or jump to Farage and topple the Govt.

As I mentioned, I'm not fundamentally opposed to the idea of Coalition, but from what I've seen in practice it either creates a weak govt that can't get legislature done, or it invites people to the table that should be nowhere near it and haven't earned it.

You mentioned earlier a system where the share of the vote is translated to who gets which jobs, a threshold of vote share etc. I think coalition can be done, I just think it probably needs a better and more robust framework.

 

[Welshie]

That's come about largely because the Tories had both a reliance on the DUP and then a fractious group that wanted to leave the EU and threatened to jump ship to Farage unless Cameron gambled on a referendum, so they were compromised by nationalists.

The Lib dems were impotent in that coalition and I don't think they would have stopped the tide of Tory MPs who wanted out of the EU.

At best it would have delayed Brexit, but those who pushed the country into a referendum were either going to force Cameron's hand (as they did) or jump to Farage and topple the Govt.

As I mentioned, I'm not fundamentally opposed to the idea of Coalition, but from what I've seen in practice it either creates a weak govt that can't get legislature done, or it invites people to the table that should be nowhere near it and haven't earned it.

You mentioned earlier a system where the share of the vote is translated to who gets which jobs, a threshold of vote share etc. I think coalition can be done, I just think it probably needs a better and more robust framework.

My point being it happens in FPTP already.

Huh? I mentioned ASM, a form of PR, that is being proposed and already functions in Scotland.

A share of the vote doesn't decide who gets what job, it simply allocates MPs based on the proportion of the vote they get regionally.

 

[PINKIE]

My point being it happens in FPTP already.

Huh? I mentioned ASM, a form of PR, that is being proposed and already functions in Scotland.

A share of the vote doesn't decide who gets what job, it simply allocates MPs based on the proportion of the vote they get regionally.

It happens but it's not the default as is the case in Coalition

I guess it comes down to who makes up those Coalition Govts.

And maybe that is the problem, trying to form a coalition govt based on a FPTP system

 

[Big Ern]

Clegg should have gone with Labour. Achieved absolutely **** all in government and the Libs only have a serious number of seats now because Toby and Poppy in towns with a Gail’s couldn’t bring themselves to vote Tory again.

He couldn't, people wanted Labour out.

 

[Archers Road]

But thats not true Pinkie because the last 16 years of government in this country has consistently entertained fringe ideas and groups.

Brexit would not have happened if the Tory government had to be in coalition with the Lib Dems.

I think "Call me Dave" was counting on that, when he promised a referendum if the Tories won. He didn't think it would ever happen. The arrogant posh ****.

 

[FosseFilberto]

The problem Starmers had since day one is his vote share. 30% just is not enough, you've been elected with a super majority for a country in which 70% of voters never wanted you.

Not quite accurate - a large proportion of your 70% didn't want ANYBODY ... otherwise, the ****ers would have got off their arses and voted ...

 

[brb]

I still don't see what Burnham is going to bring to the table any different, @Welshie just likes his charm or something, all sounds a bit gay to me - Labour still will not have any money to do anything differently. Also Keir's got his feet under the table now with all the other overseas riffraff - really don't need a Roxy Music type of guy turning up, this aint the pop industry bro. Although I think an eye patch might suit Andy's image when he tells Rachel from accounts to hand over the booty!

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[Star of David Bardsley]

World Cup fever means it completely passed me by that the by election is today. Go on Andy.

 

[brb]

World Cup fever means it completely passed me by that the by election is today. Go on Andy.

Must admit I overlooked it as well.

Don't think I saw anything on the news, but they might not be allowed to on polling day, until the polls close.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

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What do any of these clowns get from this? Just stay at home and watch the football. Paul Gould knocking on doors hoping it’ll make all the difference today. Dickhead.

 

[PINKIE]

World Cup fever means it completely passed me by that the by election is today. Go on Andy.

The Reform candidate has been pulled up for some of his comments

Apparently he said that women only have abortions for vanity reasons, so that they can shag who ever they want

And responded with 'He's only saying what we're all thinking' to a post that said 'I'd love to sniff and lick Carol Vorderman's arsehole'

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

The Reform candidate has been pulled up for some of his comments

Apparently he said that women only have abortions for vanity reasons, so that they can shag who ever they want

And responded with 'He's only saying what we're all thinking' to a post that said 'I'd love to sniff and lick Carol Vorderman's arsehole'

A man of the people

 

[PINKIE]

A man of the people

That'll stop the boats

 

[Welshie]

I still don't see what Burnham is going to bring to the table any different, @Welshie just likes his charm or something, all sounds a bit gay to me - Labour still will not have any money to do anything differently. Also Keir's got his feet under the table now with all the other overseas riffraff - really don't need a Roxy Music type of guy turning up, this aint the pop industry bro. Although I think an eye patch might suit Andy's image when he tells Rachel from accounts to hand over the booty!

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[Welshie]

The Reform candidate has been pulled up for some of his comments

Apparently he said that women only have abortions for vanity reasons, so that they can shag who ever they want

And responded with 'He's only saying what we're all thinking' to a post that said 'I'd love to sniff and lick Carol Vorderman's arsehole'

He's also come across as totally inept during TV debates.

My favourite was him being asked about immigration and him turning to Burnham to ask about how things actually work, like "help us out Andy man."