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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months

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brb said:
While I hear and agree with what you say, my thoughts on this are that I doubt knowing most members on here (not606) that anyones parents are on the breadline. As I understand it there are over 800k pensioners that do fall within the category of being entitled to WFP, but they need to be claiming pension credit to get it?

Now I see the hurdle here, a lot of those pensioners may never of claimed any benefit, pension is not a benefit in my eyes. I'd be like them if I was entitled to claim pension credit, it feels like the state want to know the ins and outs of your life to claim it, it feels like a big rod over you if you inadvertently give them a piece of wrong information. So people steer clear.

Lots or people don't claim benefits that they are entitled, not just pensioners, something like PIP is a minefield, now I know you've worked in benefits and to you it might not, but to an outsider of the system it really does. And what happens in these situations people end up suffering because of it, quietly and often alone or that's how it feels to them.

So while I understand what Keir has done, I just wonder where the safety net is for those that are not like the example you have given. Then I look at the cost, savings of £3.8B is my understanding, £2.1B back out of that pot if everyone claims pension credit, and if I heard right, an additional 3 months backdated. So yeah close the hole but I don't believe the stated savings stack up. Not forgetting this is the same nation that gave everyone a fuel allowance during covid.

So I see the arguments from both sides for and against, and I just wonder to the Labour Party if it was all really worth this aggravation it has caused them. It feels like they've shot themselves in the foot, to save what about £1B while dishing out *£9B in payrises (Laura Kuennsberg interview I saw) - I got no problem with the payrises, if it stops anymore strikes, but just trying to put it into perspective there had to be a better way of handling this...

Anyway ageism is king on 606, so fook em.
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The best solution as far as I can see is to just bring down insane electricity prices
 
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Welshie said:
The best solution as far as I can see is to just bring down insane electricity prices
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Well yeah, absolutely agree with you on this, although I don't know anything about how energy prices are collated, but I expect we are getting the arse ripped out of us?
 
brb said:
Well yeah, absolutely agree with you on this, although I don't know anything about how energy prices are collated, but I expect we are getting the arse ripped out of us?
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It seems to be that way, but like you, I don't understand it enough to write an essay about it.

What I can say is it feels my family are being ripped the **** off by companies making BILLIONS.

It's the same here in Norway, an energy exporter with insanely expensive energy. Being ripped off somewhere.
 
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Welshie said:
It seems to be that way, but like you, I don't understand it enough to write an essay about it.

What I can say is it feels my family are being ripped the **** off by companies making BILLIONS.

It's the same here in Norway, an energy exporter with insanely expensive energy. Being ripped off somewhere.
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and this is the thing, I thought we would start going after people at the top of the chains, but the real world has dawned on me that never happens. Obviously everything takes time, like Starmer said this morning, he needs ten years...if things start turning a corner, especially with the NHS, people can quickly forgive and forget, so who knows eh, maybe the pain will be worth it.

I bet everyone is ****ting themselves now over the October budget. <laugh>
 
brb said:
While I hear and agree with what you say, my thoughts on this are that I doubt knowing most members on here (not606) that anyones parents are on the breadline. As I understand it there are over 800k pensioners that do fall within the category of being entitled to WFP, but they need to be claiming pension credit to get it?

Now I see the hurdle here, a lot of those pensioners may never of claimed any benefit, pension is not a benefit in my eyes. I'd be like them if I was entitled to claim pension credit, it feels like the state want to know the ins and outs of your life to claim it, it feels like a big rod over you if you inadvertently give them a piece of wrong information. So people steer clear.

Lots or people don't claim benefits that they are entitled, not just pensioners, something like PIP is a minefield, now I know you've worked in benefits and to you it might not, but to an outsider of the system it really does. And what happens in these situations people end up suffering because of it, quietly and often alone or that's how it feels to them.

So while I understand what Keir has done, I just wonder where the safety net is for those that are not like the example you have given. Then I look at the cost, savings of £3.8B is my understanding, £2.1B back out of that pot if everyone claims pension credit, and if I heard right, an additional 3 months backdated. So yeah close the hole but I don't believe the stated savings stack up. Not forgetting this is the same nation that gave everyone a fuel allowance during covid.

So I see the arguments from both sides for and against, and I just wonder to the Labour Party if it was all really worth this aggravation it has caused them. It feels like they've shot themselves in the foot, to save what about £1B while dishing out *£9B in payrises (Laura Kuennsberg interview I saw) - I got no problem with the payrises, if it stops anymore strikes, but just trying to put it into perspective there had to be a better way of handling this...

Anyway ageism is king on 606, so fook em.
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yeas getting them to claim has always been a problem but is actually less now than back in the 80's i would say possibly as Pensions credit was created as a specific benefit for them rather than having to claim say income support with everyone else .
From a purely political pov this has been a disaster and why they didn't wait to announce it in the budget is beyond me when everyone will be moaning not just them <laugh>

PS RP is definitely a benefit and the idea most people have paid in enough to cover the amount they receive strikes me as almost certainly incorrect considering the average lifespan these days .
PPS and don'ty get me started on the ridiculous triple lock
 
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Solid Air 2 said:
yeas getting them to claim has always been a problem but is actually less now than back in the 80's i would say possibly as Pensions credit was created as a specific benefit for them rather than having to claim say income support with everyone else .
From a purely political pov this has been a disaster and why they didn't wait to announce it in the budget is beyond me when everyone will be moaning not just them <laugh>

PS RP is definitely a benefit and the idea most people have paid in enough to cover the amount they receive strikes me as almost certainly incorrect considering the average lifespan these days .
PPS and don'ty get me started on the ridiculous triple lock
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I'm trying to think why it was done like this and as you say, why not wait until the budget and hence piss everyone off at the same time. I sort of get it from the governments perspective, we drop this little bombshell on them now and tell them there will be more to come in October, set their stall out so to speak, then people will think differently (psychologically speaking) and think well we knew it was coming (whatever that might be) and it's not as bad as I expected, phew!...either that or everyone will be raging and we can piss ourselves laughing at one another about it....whatever happens will make good bantz on here.
 
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Seeing the newspaper reviews about Keir wanting to ban junk food advertising on tv and online, reminded me...

I went to the supermarket the other day and wanted some full fat coke for my JD, and every shelf I looked on had coke and pepsi, but all sugar free varieties, and I'm like what is this shhite. Anyway eventually found some full fat cans, not sure how many half a dozen, over £5! I'm like oh do fook off, you rob my fuel allowance and my bus pass and now you want me to pay over a fiver for coca cola, so eventually I fooked off to the own brand aisle and picked up a bottle for 70p <laugh> it's in JD I won't notice the difference once I've had a few.
 
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brb said:
Seeing the newspaper reviews about Keir wanting to ban junk food advertising on tv and online, reminded me...

I went to the supermarket the other day and wanted some full fat coke for my JD, and every shelf I looked on had coke and pepsi, but all sugar free varieties, and I'm like what is this shhite. Anyway eventually found some full fat cans, not sure how many half a dozen, over £5! I'm like oh do fook off, you rob my fuel allowance and my bus pass and now you want me to pay over a fiver for coca cola, so eventually I fooked off to the own brand aisle and picked up a bottle for 70p <laugh> it's in JD I won't notice the difference once I've had a few.
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The southern states cocktail, Jack Daniels and coke
 
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duggie2000 said:
The southern states cocktail, Jack Daniels and coke
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Only current day problem is not the JD but the coke I put in it, coke is the one thing that actually makes me gain weight, quite scary really so only in moderation. At least it's only a cheap bottle and I don't like flat coke so more likely the rest will end up down the sink the next day.
 
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brb said:
Only current day problem is not the JD but the coke I put in it, coke is the one thing that actually makes me gain weight, quite scary really so only in moderation. At least it's only a cheap bottle and I don't like flat coke so more likely the rest will end up down the sink the next day.
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Have you tried Coke Zero or Pepsi Max, my sone likes Vodka and coke but he uses Pepsi Max
 
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duggie2000 said:
Have you tried Coke Zero or Pepsi Max, my sone likes Vodka and coke but he uses Pepsi Max
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I have tried one of them, maybe two varieties, but they tend to leave a horrible after taste. Might not notice it in JD I suppose, but it seems a terrible risk of a good drink lol.
 
brb said:
I have tried one of them, maybe two varieties, but they tend to leave a horrible after taste. Might not notice it in JD I suppose, but it seems a terrible risk of a good drink lol.
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Yeah i used to hate diet coke and wasnt a fan of coke zero.

As i have gotten older i have put away the fizzy occasionally treating myself to a full fat coke.

However because every now and again i want to treat myself but i also want to get fitter so i can play footie better (getting old so losing it) and lose my african stick out belly i basically drink coke zero 80% of the time and have gotten used to the taste so enjoy it now
 
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