Election 2024
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Don't have to watch all of it but would recommend 4:13 famous bit, even Maggie rated him.
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And this...
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That last video
That last video
Yeh that was funny. There's loads more like that.He was a conviction politician but had the ability to fck ppl off and make them laugh as well. Not many like that anymore, it's all scripted these days even the gags. He ripped into 'new labour' his own party as well as the tories if he thought something was bollox.
Stole this off GC, purely because this was my thoughts today, long before I saw this clip, I didn't say anything because I couldn't be arsed to get myself worked up over it, but Tim is spot on, it's a fooking disgrace, unless he had a family emergency, I'm just gobsmacked...
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I've got this caricature of Rishi in the sense of words, where he says you are all my brothers or all my family, it's what I see as a false front, a mask, and sadly today to me, he played out that caricature very much how I would have predicted him to behave - it's using words as protectionism of ones personality, where in reality he would never rescue you from the fire, he's the guy that would have run miles away. Very disrespectful.
I think he can't relate to anyone outside of his own privileged life experience. He lacks any empathy. He's playing a part but hasn't a clue. Everything is robotic with him, like he's fed what to say.
Starmer has some honesty about him, if he'll allow himself the balls to show it, but he's afraid of his own shadow at the moment so doesn't know what to say.
It's a strange state of affairs.
Also this is what I mean about I think Starmer will make more effort to get on with our neighbours, you had Charles, Macron, Biden, Starmer there and er Rishi... gone fishing. What was he thinking, no way Boris would have left....the ages of the kids on that memorial wall, 19, 19, 18, 21, 20, 34.
Did you see Martin Freeman reading the words on behalf of a serviceman who was there. It was incredibly moving. He was 18/19 at the time and met another serviceman when they both joined the army, and watched him get killed, and he said something like, he wasn't a man he was a kid, we weren't men, we were boys. That part genuinely choked me up bcos my son is 18 and the first thing I thought was him having to do that and he was right, they weren't men. My son is a boy and the thought of him going through that. Just thinking about those boys in those containers going in on those beeches to face that hell really brings it home.
I struggle to watch it, so try and avoid having it on, but obviously mentally take note of things when I do catch up in smaller parts. I hate war, I just think of how it destroys lives, destroy the communities they belong to - I wasn't overly happy with Zelenssky being there, but that's just me, and I understand why I was. I know the leaders there want to all so demonstrate a strong alliance against Putin, but this is one of the big issues for me, yes it's right that history holds lessons of the past, but it's also important not to use history to go down a path that could hold inevitable consequences for those same ages lost over 80 years ago. It's a very fine line between war and peace. Hopefully Putin will have a heart attack soon and put an end this nonsense.
Yeh I didn't like the Zelenski presence. Nor Biden usin his speech to talk about Putin. Something like today shouldn't be politicised. You can just imagine some slimy ****s somewhere cooking it all up "yeh this would be a great time to talk about Russia" and "great idea let's invite Zelenski, we'll get him shaking hands with some veterans and he can say they're inspiring him".
The difference between what I heard today from the veterans and ppl like Biden was the veterans were saying, war is brutal, never again. And Biden was saying war is good, we need more.
Oh come on, Skinner was no fckin grifter. At least he believed in what he was spouting not doing it to make a slimy buck.
And ppl actually elected him for those 50 yrs. Farage has failed for the past 30.
Anyway I'll leave Archers to come along and fill in the rest.
Btw Newsnight, the flagship news programme for BBC, has just opened their main story 'How has Nigel Farage impacted on the prospects of the Labour and Conservatives in this election'.
I can't believe I'm having to defend Nigel Farage
He was an elected European MP for 21 years. Skinner had the whip and backing of an established mainstream British party while Farage established his own independent ones.
Skinner had a super safe seat.
On Skinner, i'm just not a socialist and view someone spouting his boring rhetoric and quips all the time in Parliament, getting himself purposely thrown out just jokes. He was basically a mascot by the time Blair got elected, a dancing monkey. Token socialist.
When I have read some books and/or interviews Dennis seemed to come across as an Arthur Scargillesque bully boy who liked to mock anyone who didn't align with him, type of dude desperate for a job on a select committee in the Soviet Union so he can add none believers to a list.
Very similar to Archers actually
It's not just about getting voted in. Skinner worked hard for the ppl of Bolsover and his Party. He grafted for those 50 years. He wasn't just quips, he was a hard hitting politicians who absolutely held to account and demolished the bullshitters in the HOC and cut through with facts.
Farage is a grifter. Who did he represent and work for during those 21 years exactly? Himself. He was all too happy to exploit the gravy train. He and UKIP made enough money out of some fairly dodgy wealthy backers, he used family to fraudulently claim hundreds of £thousands of expenses. He's no doubt made a pretty packet from Putin/Russia since. That's all he's about. To compare the two is laughable. He certainly won't be giving a fck about the ppl of Clacton unless there's some angle in it for him.
