No tangents involved from me. Your over simplification simply doesn't stand up. Nobody will just accept to live their life on 12 sentences without considering what each means. I doubt many Christians could actually name the twelve anyway.
I don't think I'm missing anything. I 'get it' entirely. We just disagree about what constitutes faith. In my view, most true religious faith is acceptance of the basic tenets, not questioning them. I dispute the 'faith' and motives of those like ISIS & KKK. In my view, they have no belief in the basic tenets of their alleged chosen religion. You are mixing up the study of theology and faith. Faith is just that!
My argument stands very well, thank you. Faith is the acceptance in the basic tenets of your religion. Nothing more, nothing less.
You are plucking bits from google and expect a proper response! Explain to me what the contradiction are in your point of view rather in constructive manner with explanation from why you think they are contradictions and i give you the response it deserves.
But few could have faith without knowing what's meant by those tenets beyond the headlines. Hence why I mentioned the 10 (and more) commandments and the bible, which are a fundamental part of the tenets. You're effectively saying that someone should just accept being told that they're a christian, without knowing what that means. If all they know are the basic tenets, there's nothing to imply that greed, murder etc are sins, or what the consequence of sin is, or what sin itself is for that matter.
Nope, I changed my original reply because it was becoming a c+p from google. That's pretty much from my head. I was trying to conflate a lot of specifics into a general view.
These are the basic tenets. Most of the rest is open to interpretation, I agree. Hence the different branches of the same basic faiths. The basic tenets of Christianity, typically referred to as the core doctrines, include the belief that there is only one true God; that God exists in the form of a Trinity, or three gods in one; that God is omnipresent and omniscient; and that God is sovereign and holy. In addition, a core principle is the belief that Jesus was the Son of God but became a man and was sent to earth to save mankind from death and sin.
Fair enough Hull but referencing lizards and flying saucers or whatever (I forget) doesnt help. Cynicism is all good btw. But you're very likely to get people's back up if you insinuate they're stupid or crazy even if that wasnt the intention. To then say you're simply asking the question and don't understand why the other side is getting upset, isnt exactly right. Mate the ignorant fools who go to Syria to join ISIS are fundamentalists. They are those who have taken the literal meaning and are therefore easily manipulated. Why do you think Wahabi'ism is considered fundamentalist while sufi'ism is considered more enlightened? The study of theology is by and large studied by people of that faith or other faiths. It asks questions about the message contained in certain texts/scriptures. Just one simple exampke, if we werent meant to ask questions we wouldn't have parables. You start with faith but that's only the start. Religion is much more than the basic tenets. Ask Spurlock if he's asked why they fast in Ramadan. I bet he has. Ask jews if they've ever asked why they have to be circumcised. I bet they have. You can have faith and still ask questions about why certain things are what they are. If a religion won't accept any questioning then it's weak and full of **** imo.
Yep, I know. So you think that's enough on it's own to convince someone they'd be a christian, and know how to live their life.
The original argument was about faith. I defined faith! An unquestioning belief in the basic tenets of your chosen religion. Now it's drifted off into all kinds of tangents, including discussions on theology. I repeat, to go back to the origin of this, faith is faith. I have no intention of getting into an in depth argument about religion and it's many aspects,
Seriously you are telling me those verses you just plucked from your head but your not even saying what the contradictions are in those for me to explain. Its well and good me explaining the verses but my explanation might not be what you are looking for so cut it short, you need to be clear and concise about what you are asking for there to be a clear answers.
The verse numbers I looked up, but I already knew about that contradiction. I though that was pretty obvious, the word of god seems to be unclear on how man was created.
I question my faith, I never doubt it though. I question it in order to increase my understanding not to find 'holes' in it so I can ' free' myself from it. So the process for me is as Treble stated but the ruling factor is certainly what Spaniard says. Some things my human nature might not quite get....I do believe that is due to my lack of depth. I know things today about so much in life that I did not know 20 years ago, likewise with my faith maturity allows me to understand more.
Do elaborate on those contradictions that you already know and i will respond, i cant read your mind to see what are the so called contradictions. What is unclear tell explain a simple few verse and assume i should know what your thoughts are not enough, you need to explain those. I have so far answered your questions in a clear concise manner.
I'm not sure how much clearer that part of the question can be from how I originally asked it. , what does the koran say man was made from? Does it say he was made of blood (96:2) or clay as in (15:26) or nothing as in. (52:35) or sperm as in (16:4) I guess I should have phrased the question as, which one is right, which I guess begs the follow up, why mention the others? I wasn't really tyring to limit it to specific contradictions, they exist. I was more interested to see if you agreed, and if so could explain why they exist.
Blood and sperm in the literal sense....Nothing and clay in a spiritual sense. Your not a very spiritual person, you won't grasp the essence of it and it's not my job to help you do that considering you are just trying to debunk. @Hull City AFC (DMD) Your an argumentative **** with small dick syndrome. I did you a favour by answering your question. Accept from that the fact that you could never get it, your too simple. Get out of Hull now and again.
You're a bit of a feeble nob yourself, riddled with paranoia and I'm sure you're not typical of your faith, but thanks for (sort of) answering a small part of the question. Your guess on my spiritual background and my reasons for asking are miles off by the way, but I doubt you've the soul to realise.
"We". You got it wrong on that one too. Your shouty man strategy needs work, it's pretty much ineffectual.
I will answer your questions raised, one by one as its a bit hard on my phone or will respond to some of them tomorrow. 52:35 Below are the actual text of this verse from before and after. As you can see there is no contradictions there since that verse isnt actually explaining how man is made rather posing a question does man think he is made by nothing or were they created by themselves as they dont believe in God. Thats one answered for you. 32. Do their minds command them this [i.e. to tell a lie against you (Muhammad please log in to view this image )] or are they people exceeding the bounds (i.e. from Belief in Allah to disbelief). 33. Or do they say: "He (Muhammad please log in to view this image ) has forged it (this Qur'an)?" Nay! They believe not! 34. Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur'an) if they are truthful. 35. Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators? 36. Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. 37. Or are with them the treasures of your Lord? Or are they the tyrants with the authority to do as they like? 38. Or have they a stairway (to heaven), by means of which they listen (to the talks of the angels)? Then let their listener produce some manifest proof.
