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Ehab interview incoming...

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  1. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    It's how loans work
    If the person (the club) who owes the money only pays the interest every year for a million years they still owe the original amount
     
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  2. ImperialTiger

    ImperialTiger Well-Known Member

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    And we can become the next Pompey, owing money to several previous owners.
     
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  3. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    So expand on this lads. Genuinely interested. What is going to, or could happen? How will it work?
     
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  4. Quill

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    **** off and die you massive thundercunts.
     
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  5. ImperialTiger

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    They can use the parachute payments to pay off the debts to Allamhouse or not.

    1) Take profits (TV money) as dividends (not sure on current rules - may be able to claim dividends against current profits or may be illegal due to negative capital account) to Allamhouse and leave the debt in place (have cake and eat it). Sell club for £1 but new owners owing Allamhouse whatever remaining debt is.

    2) Take profts and repay debt Allamhouse debt with it. Debt free club and can sell for £1.

    3) As per 2) but sell for whatever they can get. Purchase price for new owners probably paid as loan from club so we are back to where we were but owing millions to a different creditor.
     
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  6. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    I feel Dennis wouldn't know this. So thanks imp.
     
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  7. dennisboothstash

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    I'm not suggesting I know what's going to happen
    I was simply pointing out that as long as they can get the interest paid to them, at pretty good rates, then it's a good investment
    If they keep taking the interest without paying down the debt then they get cash paid but the debt to them is still the same to get paid eventually
    That is risky though if you think you can't get your original investment back so probably the best bet would be to pay the debt down to a level where you think you can get it back by selling it if you need to, but in the meantime youre still getting some interest paid

    And all that ignores the potential to reduce tax elsewhere by offsetting losses in one organisation against other profits elsewhere
     
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  8. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    Ha
    Cheeky ****

    (It wasn't what I was meaning anyway though)
     
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  9. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Way too much information I'm off to pub to reflect <ok>
     
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  10. ImperialTiger

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    Very risky to leave an oustanding £80m for someone else. New owner buys it for £1, declares us insolvent and then puts us in administration. Someone buys club agreeing to pay 10p in the £ and £80m just became £8m.
     
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  11. dennisboothstash

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    I wasn't suggesting them selling it though
    Ehab said they don't need to
     
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  12. ImperialTiger

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    Once the parachute payments run out, unless he finds a way to appease the dwindling crowd and get them to come back, he either has to sell or get the club liquidated.

    If they've repaid the loan then they don't really care if the club goes to the wall.
     
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  13. dennisboothstash

    dennisboothstash Well-Known Member

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    Agreed
    I just think they'll be trying to go part way there for now
    Repaying some loan but keeping some debt to keep an interest payment ticking over too

    I don't base this on any specific knowledge though, just a hunch
     
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  14. ImperialTiger

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    They need some working capital so they might leave a bit of cash and a bit of debt, with enough cash left to repay the debt whenever they want.
     
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  15. originallambrettaman

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    Far too risky leaving debt as it is, after next season there's no parachute money and the club's worth a fraction of the debt.

    I'm sure they'll have paid down at least some of the debt, there's no tax on the loan repayments and they've got tens of millions to take out.
     
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  16. dennisboothstash

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    That would make sense if the numbers stack up
     
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  17. Chilton's Hundreds

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    But if the loan is repaid there will be no other debt so I think it's unlikely the club would go to the wall.

    It's more likely the budget will reflect attendances and we'll slip into lower league oblivion.
     
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    Is this like when you went to the fair the other night? Remember? It was pissing down. Right?
    So which pub is it tonight Chazz?

    <laugh>
     
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  19. ImperialTiger

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    But what is in it for them? Lower leagues still require expenses. If we got into league 1 I could see attendances falling well below 10k and, after paying 14 youth players and a manager, I doubt there would be much left to pay the vice chairman. I believe once they've repaid the loan they will try and make the club break even (not competitive) and sell for whatever they can get.

    As has been alluded to, if they repay the loan then the interest on it over 10 years would allow them a healthy profit (but not quite the cash cow they were hoping for).
     
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  20. tigerscanada

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    One with mirrors obviously, or highly polished windows.
     
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