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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    Three million EU citizens living in the UK will need to have some form of ID documents following Brexit, the Home Secretary Amber Rudd has told MPs.

    I would have thought that they did have ID already. Some such as the majority of the French have ID cards. Others will have passports. ID is ID to coin a phrase, but I suspect that it is another money raising scheme, when the government will want you to fill in endless forms and pay a large sum of money to get a different form of it.
     
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    German Chancellor Angela Merkel told a party congress of her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) on Tuesday that Britain would not be allowed to cherry pick in its Brexit negotiations with the European Union.
    "We will not allow any cherry picking," Merkel said to cheers from 1,000 CDU delegates in the western rust belt city of Essen.
    "The four basic freedoms must be safeguarded -- freedom of movement for people, goods, services and financial market products. Only then can there be access to the single market."

    It would seem that some UK ministers don't seem to listen. Her message comes over very strongly from just about every EU leader, yet some seem in the UK think that we can buy our way in and pay for the bits we want.

    Meanwhile the government has had to back down when it became obvious that there are enough Tories prepared to vote with Labour over giving details of it's plan to invoke Article 50. Every day another crack appears in the government case and I suspect they will be happy to blame the Supreme Court if they lose their appeal.
     
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  3. Bolton's Boots

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    I suspect that they will follow recent tradition and blame the SNP...
     
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    They could have got on with things, introduced a bill, but chose not to do so. Why? They were warned by some of their own lawyers that the Supreme Court could impose conditions that would put things back for months. The only conclusion is that they want delay, and depending on what the court says Scotland might have a part to play.
     
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    Yes... delay is the order of the day... and of course the EC will get more twitchy and might want to do a quicker and thus better deal
     
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    I'm not sure about the 'get more twitchy' bit, but Michel Barnier has already stated that the negotiation period will not be two years, as has been generally reported - it will be less than18 months. In his words, "... must be cut short to allow the European Council, the European Parliament and the UK to ratify the agreement."

    Interesting that he only mentions 'UK' and not 'UK Parliament."
     
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    I think they have decided there is merit in delay....as the need is on the side of the EC for a quick resolution.......
     
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    Maybe Parliament secretly wants Scotland to have its say. 75% of them wanted to remain, and whilst some may have changed their minds, we can presume that the majority, still, don't want Brexit. Do we vote for politicians to act against their own consciences and do things which they know are harmfull to the country ? We can presume that most of them still want Brexit to be blocked - they just don't want to do it themselves, so this is where Scotland can take over, and Westminster's hands are still clean.
     
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    I doubt that - if you listen to the Supreme Court proceedings, you'll realise the contempt that the UK government have for the Scots. To quote their QC, Richard Keen, "the Sewel Convention that the Westminster Parliament would not normally interfere in devolved matters was “wholly irrelevant to this appeal and indeed to the conduct of foreign affairs... and that under the various devolution laws “foreign relations” were matters reserved to the Westminster Parliament." Quite where that sits with the fact that Scots, Welsh and Irish are being allowed no say in decision making, despite being part of that Westminster Parliament, is anyone's guess - but it's quite clearly a middle finger to three of the four members of this so-called Union. It's also clear that they are intend to ride roughshod over those three 'partners'.

    I feel sorry for the Welsh - I reckon the day is fast approaching when the UK will comprise only of two countries, and neither of the two will be Nth.Ireland or Scotland.
     
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    I watched the programme last night, the French regulator indicated there were enquires, no firm movements. Previously banks had said there may be some small scale relocations but not significant numbers.
     
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    The UK government won a stunning victory in parliament yesterday which effectively hands them a blank cheque in their Brexit process. The overwhelming number of MP's respected the result of the referendum and voted accordingly.
     
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    Of course... so clear....
     
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    Oh you are back??

    Did you not see there was a labour motion??

    Blank cheque? The whole thing is costing us billions <doh>
     
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    All a bit premature until we have heard the result of the Supreme Court hearing. Part of which will establish whether the consent of the Scottish Parliament is required. Section 2 of the Scotland Act of 2016 gives Hollyrood the legal power to block the UK. from triggering Article 50. Whilst this can be overturned it would involve the annulment of other treaties and powers now residing in Edinburgh - to do this would, almost certainly herald the break up of the UK. The next vote which takes place in Westminster could be against the background of the disintegration of the UK. as we know it - is the non obligatory Brexit referendum result sufficient reason to end a 300 year old successfull union ? This is the question which is looming on the horizon.
     
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    This is all hypothetical, there is no indication yet that the Scottish people would want to leave the UK. It would be financial suicide. They cannot remain in the EU when the whole of the UK leaves.
     
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    The Scottish Parliament has power over some aspects of life in Scotland, but not others. The powers it has are called devolved powers, the powers it doesn't have are referred to as reserved powers.

    List of devolved and reserved powers
    Devolved Powers
    • Health
    • Education
    • Local Government
    • Law
    • Social Work and Housing
    • Economic Development and Transport
    • The Environment
    • Agriculture, Forestry and Fishing
    • Sport and the Arts
    Reserved Powers
    • The constitution
    • Defence and National Security
    • Foreign Policy
    • Immigration
    • UK fiscal and monetary policy
    • Employment Legislation
    • Social Security
    • Transport and safety regulation
    • Nuclear energy
    • Broadcasting
    I think you are referring to Scotland's devolved powers. This list appears to suggest that exiting the EU would not fall under a devolved power. I cannot see Scotland being given power to prevent brexit.
    Lawyers will always disagree but I would not hold my breath.
     
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    There was a Labour motion that the government masterfully highjacked with its amendment. Parliament has now agreed that the UK will evoke article 50 by the end of March. This would make it nigh on impossible for stalling tactics to be effective. It also allows minimal information to be produced by the government and allow the Brexit ministers to decide on the terms.

    The resignation on the face of Stephen Kinnock last night was emphatic as he basically admitted the remainers options were limited due to Labour agreeing that the will of the people must be obeyed. There will be a lot of opposition but there is not enough dissent to halt the government's preferences.
     
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    The Supreme Court, Scotland, Northern Ireland, the LibDems - all opposed to brexit but there is no chance of any preventing it.
    There will be no second referendum
    The only chance of Article 50 not being triggered would be a General Election that returned a government prepared not to invoke Article 50.
    I reckon I have as much chance of winning the Euromillions as that.

    We have lost, much as I hate to admit it. It is now only a matter of waiting for the paint to dry.

    2% of the UK electorate have foist a future on the UK that 100% of us plus future generations will have to live with. I just hope the future is better than I believe it will be.
     
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    According to your list Leo, law comes under 'devolved powers' and Brexit would mean replacing EU. law in Scotland.
     
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