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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. Jsybarry

    Jsybarry Well-Known Member

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    I could've been worse - it could've been him as PM and Trump as US President. Unfortunately, the latter is still a possibility. The strange thing is that because he was born in New York, Johnson is eligible to run for the US Presidency but those with US citizenship not born there are ineligible.
     
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  2. yorkshirehornet

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    Just heard that Britain's role in some of the projects with the European Space Agency will come under threat....
     
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  3. Leo

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    Is that an EU agency?
     
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  4. Toby

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    French people don't really boo? It's not really a cultural thing.
     
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  5. yorkshirehornet

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    Just saw a news item on Brexit Breakfast
    TV about it...


    Their website:

    The European Union (EU) and ESA share a common aim: to strengthen Europe and benefit its citizens. While they are separate organisations, they are increasingly working together towards common objectives. Some 20 per cent of the funds managed by ESA now originate from the EU budget.
    ESA is an intergovernmental organisation, whereas the EU is supranational. The two institutions have indeed different ranges of competences, different Member States and are governed by different rules and procedures.

    However, in recent years the ties between the two institutions have been reinforced by the increasing role that space plays in supporting Europe’s social, political and economic policies.

    The legal basis for the EU/ESA cooperation is provided by a Framework Agreement which entered into force in May 2004. Under this agreement the European Commission and ESA coordinate their actions through the Joint Secretariat, a small team of EC’s administrators and ESA executive. The Member States of the two organisations meet at ministerial level in the Space Council, which is a concomitant meeting of the EU and ESA Councils, prepared by Member States representatives in the High-level Space Policy Group (HSPG).

    ESA maintains a liaison office in Brussels to facilitate relations with the European institutions

    .................

    So an agency in the EU but not an EU institution.... so not sure about how it all joins up etc....
     
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  6. Toby

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    If it's worth anything our Tory+ leaders this time round will sell it asap...
     
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  7. Leo

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    I suspect the ESA needs the UK - we are pretty good at advanced scientific projects. Funding problems can bbe sorted.
     
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  8. yorkshirehornet

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    Yes......... but I guess there are some EU funded projects as part of what they do... which must have been what the news item was about
     
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  9. colognehornet

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    I would like to have been a fly on the wall listening to the conversation between Nicola Sturgeon and Theresa May - behing all the reassuring pictures of 2 middle aged women taking tea together.
    The red lines are there for all to see. Can anyone imagine tearing up all existing papers on devolution and forcing Scotland out of the EU. against their will ? On the other hand is it imaginable that Scotland can use a veto to stop England leaving - even less likely than the first supposition. Could Scotland remain in the UK. and the EU. ? Also highly unlikely - for one thing we may have 2 different policies on immigration. So, the ultimate question may well be - is Theresa May going to want to go into the history books as the PM. that destroyed the United Kingdom as a political entity - because that is exactly what Brexit will probably mean.
     
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  10. Leo

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    2 middle aged women taking tea together - rather sexist and ageist isn't it? What relevance have their sex or age? Lucky they are not both gay or maybe that would have been in your description.
    Scotland are not in the EU - the UK is. If the UK leaves, Scotland goes, as part of it. There was no separate enrolment of 4 nations in the EU - just the UK. If as a result Scotland wishes to hold another referendum then that may be granted. It is not TM who would have brought that about but the UK population by believing the lies fed to it during the referendum.
    TM is following the democratic will of the UK people - I and others may not like it and may argue that the result is badly flawed due to the electorate agreed and the failure to provide a sensible threshold - but it is no use trying to hold TM to account - she is doing what Cameron or any other Conservative leader was pledged to do.
     
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  11. colognehornet

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    I am not blaming TM. for anything, yet. But the choice is becoming clearer, 2 nations voted to stay in the EU. what is going to happen to them ? And if Scotland really wants another referendum, and consequent independence there is nothing that Westminster can do to stop it. I feel sad Leo, because my parents were both Scots whereas I was born and brought up in Watford - so I feel both English and Scottish.
     
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  12. Leo

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    I share your sadness. I was so pleased that the Scots voted to stay in the UK and hope they do not choose to leave us now - who really wants to live in a nasty racist "little England" My ancestry is Irish and English - I wonder how few people are pure bred English. What a shame that we were conned to destroy our future and that of our children by lies peddled by Gove, Boris and Farage. People can be so gullible and have such short memories. How many people in England or Wales can really say they suffered due to immigration?
     
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    Holiday booking company Lowcost Travelgroup has gone into administration, as uncertainty ahead of the EU referendum and the fall in the pound were blamed for its demise.

    The group has 27,000 holiday makers in resorts and 110,000 more with bookings.

    Administrators said Lowcost Travelgroup ceased trading on 15 July, with the loss of 120 jobs in the UK.

    Smith & Williamson and CMB Partners were appointed administrators after the firm's own rescue attempts failed.

    Those "exhaustive" attempts had been "hampered by the recent and ongoing turbulent financial environment".


    Smith & Williamson said intense competition had caused the collapse but also the increased terror threat and the uncertainty before and after the recent referendum.

    "The group experienced significant market headwinds in the run up to the EU referendum as holidaymakers delayed decisions. This was compounded by the Leave vote itself and the subsequent fall in value of the pound," said Finbarr O'Connell of Smith & Williamson.

    "Regrettably, in these extraordinary conditions, the directors had no option but to place Lowcosttravelgroup Limited into administration.
     
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    Labour MP Chris Bryant: "Turkey is now and has been a lynch pin in European and wider security. Ludicrous Brexit lies undoubtedly contributed to destabilising.

    C'mon you leave fans you can do much better than that. How about 'The sky is falling down' or 'the end of the world is nigh'.
     
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    The remain fans can also enter!!
     
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    What amazes me is how so many people believed it and called those who questioned it scaremongers
     
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    They learnt the words "project fear" from the Scottish referendum - it was effective then and used in the EU referendum again to good effect. All you do is rubbish the best projections and assumptions made by the other side - even if made by experts. You then point out that sometimes experts are wrong and ignore the fact that more often they are not - especially when 99% of them agree. You then say nothing about what will happen or what you will do if you win - you just say trust us it will be rosy and if you disagree you are a nasty person for talking your country down. You tell outright lies on actual financial figures and on when new countries are able to join the EU and scare the bejabbers out of people with some legitimate concerns over immigation. Finally you get a popular buffoon who is seeking his own advancement to lead your campaign and hey presto - they country and their children and grandchildren pay the price ever after.
     
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  19. oldfrenchhorn

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    Billions of pounds of EU funding for Wales cannot simply be replaced by Westminster, Alun Cairns has suggested.

    The Welsh Secretary said it "misses the point" to shift the source of aid from the EU to Westminster after the majority of people in Wales voted to leave the union three weeks ago.

    Just what did the Welsh believe?
     
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    Seems as if the message has got through to the Welsh already.
     
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