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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    • Political party: 33% of Conservative party supporters described themselves as racially prejudiced, compared to 18% of Labour supporters.
    • EU referendum: Those who voted to leave the EU were more likely to describe themselves as racially prejudiced. 34% of Leave voters said they were racially prejudiced, more than the 18% of Remain voters who described themselves in this way.
    Interesting that in the main the big cities were much more balanced in the referendum results.... exposure to people who are different to us breaks down misconceptions

    I have no doubt that racism was behind the voting of many people, cloaked in 'jobs' 'housing' 'education' 'healthcare' arguments all of which have been discredited as valid reasons... the evidence clearly shows we would be worse off as a country without migrant workers etc etc


     
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    Your man here sums it up well here:

     
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    David Davis the Minister for exiting the EU did extremely well today in front of the All Party Brexit Committee. He batted questions admirably and showed a fine degree of knowledge and competence. Jacob Rees Mogg asked the most difficult questions over the transitional / implementation period. Mogg's sharpness and ability showed he was head and shoulders over the other committee members and why he should be in high office in this government. A future leader in waiting.
     
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    I would not give much credibility to this study Toby. I am trying to imagine walking around the streets asking the question 'Are you a racist', or even doing it by telephone - it appears conducive to eventually picking up a black eye from someone. My feeling is that the question must have been phrased in a different way. Maybe there were another 30% who would have answered 'I'm not a racist but.....'. Also, what is racism ? Is Islamophobia racism or religious bigotry ? The same applies to the Jewish question. Is being anti Polish a form of racism, when the Poles are not a distinctive race ? Is Xenophobia (ie. a dislike of outsiders) racism ? Probably not because this can also take the form of social class war. There are many aspects to racism - basically it is any time I make a negative assumption about someone based not on their individuality but upon their racial origins. But what is 'negative' in this sense ? I would describe many people as closet racists, but it doesn't necessarily lead to action on their part. A good friend of mine from Ghana once lamented that the hard right want to treat him like an animal, whereas the left want to treat him like a child - one side wants to kill him, the other to love him to death. He of course wanted neither of these but simply to take his chances along with me - without being 'helped along'. The issue of people thinking along Darwinian lines of biological superiority makes no sense. There is no such thing in psychology as a 'superiority complex' only the reverse. I only persecute because I feel fear for someone. The Nazis only persecuted the Jews because they were afraid of them - had they really considered them sub human there would have been no point.
     
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    UK just announced its unemployment figure has fallen to a 42 year low,4.3% Employment rose to a record 32.2 million. These positive figures boosted Sterling to over $1.42 / £. Most of the exchange rate loss after the referendum result has been made up.
     
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    So we do actually need all these people from abroad to fill the vacancies?
    The advantage of a lower pound has now been lost then?
     
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    I have no problem with employing people from abroad on time limiting licences as long as it does not automatically lead to residential rights in the UK. The UK parliament should have the sole ability to decide on the quantity and quality required for our needs.
     
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    How can parliament make such decisions? It makes laws? The situation changes from month to month ..and do you really think people will want to work here if there are no services available for their families?? The NHS would grind to a halt.
     
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    Well the government of the day will decide but probably only after debates in parliament. Yes, due to the horrendous unemployment levels in some EU countries there will always be a supply of labour. Once the automatic entry from the EU is closed it will allow employers to chose from the world pool on an equal basis.
     
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    Is it somehow considiered any better to choose from a 'world' pool?

    The Tory Govt has not managed to reduce non EU immigration to any of its targets?

    There is zero mileage in choosing manual workers from any world pool. The number of visa over-stayers has always been high.
     
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    Yes the government need to tighten up dramatically and throw out all of those that are in the country illegally.
     
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    Paradoxically though, as well as health care professionals we need manual workers the very group that would seek to overstay.

    You also have not answered my point about the needs of professionals and their families if they come to work here.. Not a great incentive to come to a country which provides only basic health care?

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    Philip Hammond has stiffened his backbone somewhat and reminded the EU that "the UK financial services industry is bigger than the rest of the EU put together". He said "the idea you can recreate it elsewhere in the EU is just fantasy, that isn't going to happen"

    He also re-stated the fact that the fastest economic growth is coming from outside of Europe.
     
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    Hammond's backbone turns to jelly again. The PM has to slap him back into place. She should have demoted him in the reshuffle.
     
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    Brexit has torn the country apart and now it is doing it to the Tories. Labour are divided, but they don't have the problem. They can continue to sit and watch from the sidelines, although they will have to declare their hand at some point. Cameron has a lot to answer for, as he gave into the right wing moaners.
     
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    How any PM can set the country into this chaos is beyond me.....

    One of the biggest messes in recent history

    However any supporter of the Govt want to big it up.... It has been shambolic

    There was no plan!

    ...and yes the whole siltation from pre referendum onwards has been handled appallingly
     
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    Less than a week after e-mailing the Jersey First Minister, Senator Ian Gorst, I received this reply this afternoon:

    Thank you for your email regarding the eligibility of Channel Islanders to vote in the UK referendum on EU membership in June 2016. On 4 May 2016 the Privy Council dismissed a petition to Her Majesty the Queen by three campaigners from Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man seeking to extend the franchise to the Crown Dependencies.

    The 2015 EU Referendum Act confirms that the franchise was based on the franchise for UK Parliamentary elections. The right to vote applied to UK and Gibraltar residents who were British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens, in accordance with the provisions of the Representation of the People Act 1983 and the Representation of the People Act 2000.

    Residents of the Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories except Gibraltar were excluded unless they qualified as overseas voters. This is consistent with past practice, including the 1975 UK referendum on EU membership. British Nationals who were registered on an electoral roll in the UK, and who had been resident abroad for less than 15 years, were able to vote in the referendum.

    Regarding your concerns that the interests of the Islands may not be taken into account during the forthcoming negotiations, I can assure you that we retain a positive, open and productive working relationship with the UK Government, and the Ministers and officials within DExEU and the Cabinet Office. I personally meet on a quarterly basis with the Brexit Minister who has responsibility for ensuring that the interests of the Crown Dependencies are considered.

    We have repeatedly set out to the UK government that:

    • Our interests should be fully recognised and taken into account during the Phase 2 negotiations;

    • We require sufficient time to be able to adapt to and implement the eventual deals that are reached between the UK and the EU, in so far as they have an impact upon Jersey; and

    • The implementation period should apply to Jersey and the Crown Dependencies in so far as Protocol 3 applies to us.
     
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  18. In fairness I know of four departments that have monthly meetings with the CDs and they all hold monthly meetings with relevant officials. It's complicated as some are regarded as being EU for some bits of legislation and not for others. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it!
     
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    Don't know how much of this has been mentioned in the English press - but the Scottish media are studiously avoiding it.
    You're probably aware of the suspicions held by devolved parliaments regarding the EU Withdrawal Bill - the Power Grab as it's known up here.
    This video did the rounds of social media last week - speculating over what David Mundell was up to with his head hunting of civil servants to the Scotland Office and leasing of a large property in Leith.



    In an attempt to find out, this was posted on Twitter -

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    - which resulted in this -

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    So Westminster are apparently planning to return 111 powers from the EU directly to their own people, to the detriment of Scotland (and the benefit of England).

    If true, expect fireworks...
     
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