Dave, the clique won't like you saying this. I will try and protect you as much as I can but they are ruthless bunch masquerading as normal posters, watch your back from now on, maybe a disguise or something
Don't worry Dave you're still one of us - none of this divide and rule stuff here ! In fact SH. is also one of us - he has a certain morbid entertainment value I can't agree with your reasons Dave, but I realize that there were many diverse reasons for supporting Brexit. There was also a left wing argument for Brexit - after all could a future left wing government come in and nationalize energy, railways etc. within the context of the EU. ? There was also an environmentalist Brexit vote which was primarily opposed to the CAP. So the whole thing is far from clear. The reason I don't support your reasons is because a Britain outside of the EU. will be forced into alternative trade deals to make up the deficit - TTIP style with the USA for example - and there is precious little sovereignty in that scenario. Also don't forget that the EU. did not make laws for Britain without the British MEPs voting for them as well - in fact there were more laws imposed on Germany against their will than was the case for Britain. British MEPs voted for 95% of all laws brought in by Brussels - that is a higher rate than any other country. I have seen the expression 'German domination' so often mentioned by Brexiters - but it does not add up (and I actually think that some Brexiters were driven by anti German feelings). Germany pays in 22% of the EU. Budget - has 16% of the EU. population - is represented in the EU. Parliament only in accordance with it's population - is underrepresented in the EU. Commission, and there is only one German on the EU. negotiating team. This does not add up to domination.
I have been out all day, so have had quite a lot of reading to do since I came back. The debate in Westminster today has not been about the details of Brexit, but how to give power to our Parliament. It doesn't matter if you are a supporter of a left or right wing party, or indeed none, this bill is something that all members of the public should be very wary of. We know that there are a minority of Tory hard right wingers who want to have these powers which would curtail the ability of the Commons to debate and scrutinize future legislation. If this bill is passed then the powers could be used in future by an equally hard left wing group of MPs. This is not taking back control for the people. It is handing over control to a faction.
Of course you haven't dealt with the substance of my comments. This government will not last for ever, and a Labour party could take it's place. Imagine if a minority from the extreme left take control then. You would be up in arms about losing your democracy, and it wouldn't matter how many times you wrote to your MP, they could do nothing if these powers were being used.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...address-far-right-rally-in-germany?CMP=twt_gu Dear Lord. Is there any way he can be stopped from coming back in?
Yeah opposing handing over the entire statute to the Tories to do what they like with is all about defying the 'will of the people' Oh wait actually it isn't, it's about ensuring that the 'control' over our democratic law making that we've supposedly won back (the control, that literally no Leave voter can define an EU law that they have an issue with) is going to be handed over to the Govt of the day who can do what they like without conuslting the democratic House. What a victory. Rule Brittania Not surprisingly plenty don't trust the Tories and DUP with this responsibility.......but no it's an afront to the will of the people......utterly ridiculous and laughable in its complete hypocrisy
Ever heard of the Committee of Selection? Probably most haven't and even if they had would not know exactly what their role in our democracy was. Well it has the crucial task of arranging which statutory instruments (SIs) will be pushed through Parliament and when. These are the Henry VIII powers that more will have heard of, the powers that allow the government to pass SIs without proper scrutiny. The government has made a bid to seize control of the Committee of Selection despite unequivocal advice from parliamentary officials that the Tories must not do so, after losing their Commons majority at the election. Nine members sit on the committee and the Tory party is allocated four seats. This is not good enough for them, so they are in the process of trying to change to rules to give them five seats. This is what those who wish to see the return to democracy are fighting for? I don't think they are aware of just how far they are being pushed aside to give this minority government an unjustified power.
[QUOTE="colognehornet, post: 10933610, member: 1012323"]Don't worry Dave you're still one of us - none of this divide and rule stuff here ! In fact SH. is also one of us - he has a certain morbid entertainment value I can't agree with your reasons Dave, but I realize that there were many diverse reasons for supporting Brexit. There was also a left wing argument for Brexit - after all could a future left wing government come in and nationalize energy, railways etc. within the context of the EU. ? There was also an environmentalist Brexit vote which was primarily opposed to the CAP. So the whole thing is far from clear. The reason I don't support your reasons is because a Britain outside of the EU. will be forced into alternative trade deals to make up the deficit - TTIP style with the USA for example - and there is precious little sovereignty in that scenario. Also don't forget that the EU. did not make laws for Britain without the British MEPs voting for them as well - in fact there were more laws imposed on Germany against their will than was the case for Britain. British MEPs voted for 95% of all laws brought in by Brussels - that is a higher rate than any other country. I have seen the expression 'German domination' so often mentioned by Brexiters - but it does not add up (and I actually think that some Brexiters were driven by anti German feelings). Germany pays in 22% of the EU. Budget - has 16% of the EU. population - is represented in the EU. Parliament only in accordance with it's population - is underrepresented in the EU. Commission, and there is only one German on the EU. negotiating team. This does not add up to domination.[/QUOTE] Dave, don't let them fool you into a false sense of security. The clique has an army of desperate wreaking anti Brexit remoaners stationed all around the UK. That is why 'leavers' are very few and far between on this forum. Step up security and seriously consider a safe house in Exmoor. Blast!! I've given the blighters a clue of your future whereabouts already. Delete the last bit.
I watched this the other night - from QandA on Australia's ABC. In the segment 'India and Britain', Shashi Tharoor fairly well lays into Britain's colonial past & in doing so, gives a hint of the problems May could be facing in attempts to get trade deals with India and elsewhere. And Laurie Penny makes some telling remarks about Brits' understandings of Brexit. Worth 8 minutes of anyone's day. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4708044.htm#
Theresa May has rejected allegations that she is trying to “rig” Parliament to grab sweeping powers ahead of Brexit – describing the move as “common sense”. No 10 also insisted it had a “majority” in the Commons itself, despite falling short at the general election, prompting allegations that the Prime Minister is trying to rewrite the June result. It will be decided at a showdown Commons vote late on Tuesday evening, when Tory MPs who normally obsess about constitutional propriety will be under huge pressure to rebel.
The PM is correct, the Tories superiority of number of seats should adequately be reflected in the make up of committees. The Tories clearly won the largest number of seats. This is an ideal way to transfer the majority of the simple bread and butter stuff from EU law to UK law. Any contentious important points can be fully debated in parliament. The remainers are trying to use this as a blocking tactic, like everything else they have tried so far, it will probably fail.
You can twist and turn as much as you like, she lost her majority. To change the rules now is just gerrymandering.
The make up of committees is not dependent on majorities it is the number of seats gained. From the house of commons Brief Guide Composition Most select committees in the House of Commons have around a dozen members, though some committees have more and some fewer. Ministers, opposition front- bench spokesmen and party whips do not normally serve on most select committees. The membership of committees in the Commons re ects the party balance in the House as a whole, meaning that a majority of each committee will be MPs from the governing party or parties. At the moment, for a typical 11-member committee the composition might be ve Conservatives and one Liberal Democrat, and ve Labour or four Labour and one from another opposition party.
