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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Most Brexiteers are prepared for slightly less growth to be able to control numbers. The migrant workers will become costly dependents on the state eventually.
     
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  2. colognehornet

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    They will rather go to other places to earn real hard currency than the mickey mouse currency that Sterling is rapidly becoming.
     
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  3. superhorns

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    I am only asking for immigration control that most countries in the world currently enjoy. I have no right to live in these countries, if I applied they would judge my application on merit, quite normal.
     
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  4. yorkshirehornet

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    I remember SH saying there had been no discernible fall in the pound a few months back... looking to be rather different now....
     
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    A simple question for you sh. There have been jobs available in the UK, Brexit hasn't happened to date so all the same rules apply, yet the traditional workers who fill them have turned their backs on them. Perhaps you can tell us why this has happened.
     
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  6. Tobes

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    Ironic that those who pushed hardest for Brexit are the pensioners who are reliant on the working age population for their survival.......and more migrants = more working age people.
     
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  7. Tobes

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    At the minute you have the right to go work and live in 27 other countries......

    Those who are vehemently against Freedom of movement tend to overlook the fact that it's a 2 way street. It's a right that a large proportion of our youngsters are gutted about losing.
     
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  8. yorkshirehornet

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    mm.. raise taxes then???? Something i said I would gladly support.. so that the poor, the elderly, the needy and the unwell can get the care they deserve in this modern era....
     
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  9. superhorns

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  10. yorkshirehornet

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    Live within our means?
    Spend less on trident etc
     
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    A small percentage have returned, there are probably several reasons i.e. temporary lower sterling value, bad press in their own countries and mechanisation of traditional hand picking jobs. Maybe the government has also tightened up on the crime gangs that have controlled many unfortunate modern day slaves.
     
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  12. Tobes

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    More working age migrants means more dependents for our children to look after and finance. As a country we need to learn to live within our financial means and available labour without massive immigration as in the last few years.

    The solution is to ensure via legislation that people make sufficient provision for their retirement during their working lives. Using the fact that these mainly young immigrants will one day get old, as a reason for pulling up the drawbridge is nonsense imo.

    We're still importing more non EU migrants than EU migrants ever year btw.

    As a matter of interest, would you like to hazard a guess as to what the net migration figure was to the UK from the former Eastern European block in 2016?
     
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  13. superhorns

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    There has been no discernible fall in sterling against the USD. The Euro has appreciated because of the uncertainty with North Korea preventing the USD being the world's usual safe currency. The temporary appreciation of the value of the Euro is already hurting the EU export market.
     
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    The only thing that matters is the UK should have the right to control immigration, until Brexit is completed it does not.
     
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    Just the 13% like......and 16% against the Euro.

    Why isn't Sterling seen as the 'safe currency' in the current climate then? I thought the Eurozone was on the brink of collapse? lol
     
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    You have repeatedly stated that you want Britain to take back control of its borders - how ? At the point of entry you do not know the motives a person has for entering - and for every 20 EU. citizens entering 19 of them are tourists - how are you going to make life difficult for the one group but not for the other ? Are you going to be asking people to declare their reasons at the border, or issuing entry stamps or asking for visas on passports which most Europeans don't have ? I think not - if you did this with all people coming to Britain on holiday then your tourist trade (70% from the EU.) would evaporate. So also would the American and Japanese visitors because, at the moment, an EU. visa is also valid for the UK. For a while they would continue to come because of the cheap pound - but then. ? So, controls would come later ie. once in the country. How do you envisage this ? Do you think the police will suddenly be able to demand proof of identity from anyone who is not wearing Union Jack shorts -''Who are you'', ''How long have you been here'' etc. etc. Or will controls come even later - ie. you can come here for as long as you want but don't try to get a legal job, establish residence, pay taxes, claim security etc. in which case the only result would be to multiply the 'shadow' economy overnight. Other countries have sensible systems already ie. if you go to live in Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands etc. you are required to register your address at the town hall. open a bank account, open a health insurance etc. etc. without which you don't get a job of any description. All of which has a filtering effect. Why can't Britain go down this road ? Why is it that Germany or the Netherlands always know exactly how many people there are from each country who have taken up residence there, yet all we get from Britain are estimates ? Which can, of course, be subsequently magnified for political purposes.
     
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    ....and the number of net migrants from the former Eastern Bloc in 2016 was????
     
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    Living within our means - not extending debt. Doh!
     
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    Unanswered?
     
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  20. superhorns

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    He was talking about the last few months not since the referendum.
    Sterling is not seen as a safe haven because of the uncertainty over Brexit, this was foreseeable and understandable.

    The eurozone has many problems, high unemployment, high bank debts, differing views on fiscal convergence. It is much too early to celebrate euroland's recent improvement after years of stagnation.

    The UK's financials are looking better, UK public finances saw first surplus since 2002. Inflation set to fall with wages rising faster than inflation next year. Record employment.
     
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