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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    The UK system has managed rather well for an awfully long time without civil unrest. There is nothing to prevent voters supporting minority parties as UKIP proved extremely well in their heyday. It seems the Lib Dems, Greens and other minority parties just do not interest most people enough.
     
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  2. colognehornet

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    If I travel by train to Leipsch it takes an hour to get to Cologne (false direction, but unavoidable) and then 3 hours to Hannover and then another 2 to Leipzig - getting to Birmingham is quicker ! Have to work tomorrow (poor me !).
     
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  3. yorkshirehornet

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    You wait my friend... the environment will have the last laugh on all of us.......
    unless of course we kill each other.... oh but of course we have democracy....
     
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  4. superhorns

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    Seriously listen to them online, they have loads of free tracks on spotify. There is some seriously good music about today. another singer we follow is James Kirby, saw him in Minorca last year, going back next month. There is no difference in talent between the so called 'stars' and these jobbing musicians, just luck.
     
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  5. colognehornet

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    You don't really get civil unrest in England just grumbles. David Gilmour sussed it ' Hanging on in quiet desparation is the English way'. We don't burn prisons to the ground like the French, or storm the winter palace like the Russians - we just mumble and kick the cat.
     
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    I will be well forgotten by then. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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  7. yorkshirehornet

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    me too... i hope...
     
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  8. yorkshirehornet

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    Now i can agree with that. My nephew has backed most pop groups and singers over recent years.... never named and yet is an accomplished jazz musician

    https://extemporize.bandcamp.com/




    better than a lot of rubbish you get nowadays ( grumpy old man alert)
     
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  9. superhorns

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    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I have been out most of the day, so to read all the comments about my post this morning in one hit has been interesting. My post actually started and finished with the same thing. Wanting to see the country being governed for the good of all. Not just a small portion of the population, but actually the larger portion. The I am all right Jack attitude has been a major cause of division for many years, and despite fine words nothing has been done to re-balance the way that many people are left out. The current government are doing little to adjust, but they could if they had the political will. I just do not see the current leadership heading in that direction.
     
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  12. Mexican Hornet

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    can´t we just all live as one. not here we can´t **** us humans. drivel sometimes we are.
     
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  13. yorkshirehornet

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    The only way forward for the species is common unity. This one up manship we see around the world, and currently in the UK approach to Europe and in Trump's approach to many issues etc etc will ultimately get us nowhere... but many people just don't see it....
     
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  15. superhorns

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    The vast majority of UK citizens, including the vast majority of Conservative voters want a government for the good of all. The UK political system of first past the post favours the well established two alternatives, Labour or Conservative. The electorate are not convinced in enough numbers to vote for the minority parties. So the choice comes down to the Conservatives that puts responsible fiscal economics as a priority against Labour that sees borrowing large sums as the answer to the UK's needs. It is my belief that sensible fiscal management is the best option for all, others obviously disagree and demand, in my view, reckless spending. Mrs May has made it her priority to soften the austerity preferred by her predecessor by extending the period to balance the books. Despite this well intentioned move to 'govern for all' Brexit has obviously taken over as the main priority.

    In my view the well intentioned but split Labour Party would be a disaster for the UK, as previously experienced from running out of money in their last attempt to govern and Blair's dreadful short term fix of PPI initiatives. Their proposed spend of another £500 billion on top of scheduled spending would leave future generations burdened with much much more of our debt.
     
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    Fox is actually doing two things at the same time. He is yelling that the country is being blackmailed for the benefit of the tabloid press, but below the headline he is showing his fear that what has been promised is not achievable.
    Speaking to the BBC at the end of the three-day visit, Mr Fox said: "It's very clear that businesses, not just in Europe but investors in places like here in Japan, are getting impatient and want to see what that final shape of that [Brexit] arrangement is going to be."
    The bluff has been called by one of the UKs largest investors who were told that Brexit would have no effect on them, that access to the EU would be unaffected. Now that the talks have started it is obvious that you might be able to spin that line to some of the home population, but not a successful nation who in some parts of the UK are propping employment up. Time for government ministers to sit down together as come up with plan B.
     
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  17. colognehornet

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    Firstly people do not vote for the smaller parties because of the first past the post system, not because they are unconvinced by them. Secondly - borrowing is higher under Conservative governments, but Labour pays more of it back. This last point is based on running accounts from the last 40 years.
     
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  18. superhorns

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    Fox is absolutely correct to expose the bully boy tactics being employed by the EU. He is also experienced and pragmatic enough to realise that Brexit is causing uncertainty, which was obvious from the start. There are selfish motives behind the refusal of the EU to negotiate sensibly, some EU countries are obviously looking to capitalise during this period. No more or less what most expected.
     
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  19. superhorns

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    Not in the case of UKIP, they went from being almost a one man party to the largest party in the EU elections. Borrowing since the financial crash is high under the Tories because of the dreadful state the finances were left in 2010. Don't forget the infamous 'there is no money left' note left by the Labour Minister.
     
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  20. oldfrenchhorn

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    Two well established parties you say, but look a bit further into how those parties are made up. Both have their extremists of left and right, but because of the whipping system something emerges that can be called the view of the party. Seeing as the current government has not been given a majority by the nation, it not only needs to take account of it's own MPs but try and draw in support from those who do not belong. There is no cease fire within the Tory party between it's extremes, so sooner or later open division will become clearer to the public, and the party will be voted out of office for years.
     
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