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You are fortunate brb if so far you have not been affected, but people have been. My daughter works for the NHS, and every month more of the staff are leaving and returning to EU countries. The attempts to replace the ones who have gone is not working, so she is having to work extra unpaid hours just to stop the system grinding to a halt. She tells me that others are being put in the same position, and sooner or later they will say enough is enough. My daughter has made some searches about her qualifications being accepted in Europe, which they would be today, but will they be after 2019? She doesn't know, so she may or may not leave the country in the next couple of years. However if she did leave, the NHS would lose a well qualified and experienced member of staff. Just one hospital, but happening all over the country.
To be fair brb we are all British on here and so Britain is likely to be at the centre of our criticism because we can all contribute in some way - I confess to knowing little about France and, as for Germany, I take it for granted that few Englishmen know that much about it. I could criticize Germany until the middle of next week but it would be of little interest to anyone on here. I am active in German politics and spend a large amount of my time doing just that and don't want to do it here as well. You are wrong in thinking that ex pats are necessarily unpatriotic (in fact sometimes they are more so) - their time away has shown them also what is good about Britain - sometimes you can see more from a distance. I want to be proud about my homeland (particularly being situated in such a patriotic land as here) but can't always do it - and certainly not now. For years I thought that Britain was more liberal, less xenophobic than here - that multi culturalism had more of a chance there than in Germany - but I was wrong.
OFH i completely understand your thoughts, but I do think that is unfair to blame that on Brexit, the NHS has been a mess for a very long time and never was going to get any better even if the democratic vote had been to remain. It's decades of failings for the NHS well before a manifesto was even gifted to the Brexiters. I'm fully aware of the NHS failings and it's struggles and I completely understand your daughters position, I don't blame her! However, Brexit!? no way, it goes far deeper and way further back than what we are discussing today, yes maybe Europe offers her opportunities but the failings of that are British not Brexit and I'm sure there is many a nurses out there that placed their vote to leave also.
But you make lots of assumptions too....you assume everyone on here is British, I would never assume that. In fact how do you know my Nationality, i have never discussed it. You also assume I have not lived a far and also not looked in and i certainly have no intention of discussing my personal life on here. What you see in your bubble is not what I see in mine, that is the only difference.
I don't think it's too much of an assumption to make on a Watford FC. fan forum that we all have had something to do with the town of Watford - or the surroundings. We are not Man. Utd, so we can presume that we have all lived in England at some stage and so the theme of England is likely to be a common factor amongst us - which Germany or France wouldn't be - point made ?
Whoaaaa you just moved the goal-posts. This is what I mean about this thread and you guys never accepting a balanced debate. You said quote 'To be fair brb we are all British' - now compare that to my previous response to what you originally said. So by even this most recent comment you have just suggested all Watford supporters are British more or less.
Just to say that Brexit has been a tipping point in many cases. At one time many nurses came from the Philippines until the government made the process of obtaining work visas so slow they were not prepared to wait nine months to find out if they could take up a job offer or not. This shortfall over the past few years has been made up by EU staff who knew they could take up offers having qualifications that were recognized throughout the EU. Many have wondered what their status will be, still totally unknown, so have taken up job offers back in their home countries. The figures show that numbers who might have registered to work from the EU have totally collapsed since the referendum. Yes of course there are long standing problems, but the sudden and dramatic collapse since the referendum shows that it has had a large amount to do with the staffing problems.
Sorry OFH but as i said unfair to blame Brexit, everyone knows the NHS has been failing for decades, long before anyone even breathed the word Brexit. This is now like grasping at any negative to hit the leave vote with. This is why i cannot take the remain views seriously, have you got any published figures to support your claims?
God, if I said it was night you would say it was day. Watford is not the sort of club where you wake up one day in Singapore and thing I'll be a Watford fan - in the same way as people do about Manure or Chelski. So I think it's a fair assumption that most Watford fans have (or have had) a local nature. There may of course be the odd Italian (in Udine) who watches out for our results. And we are privileged to have Akureyrar on our board.
Nursing and Midwifery Council figures: Figures show that after 1,304 EU nurses registered to work in July last year – a month after the Brexit vote took place – numbers fell to 344 in September, and in April this year only 46 EU nurses signed on to come to the UK.
But i wasn't talking about Watford, I was originally just highlighting your comment about assuming everyone on here is British, I thought it was the brexiters that were the racists, however, I'm very open minded and never assume someone's national, culture or belief.
Unemployment in many European countries is still very high. There will be many whose only option for work is the UK. This will continue after Brexit. The difference will be that the UK will be able to choose on merit and qualifications the same as non EU candidates. The government will be able to adjust its policies to suit need.
But that does not prove it was anything to do with Brexit nor does it prove the Philippines aspect of your comments.
Nursing numbers fell between 2011 - 2013 but have increased every year since. See you can make anything suit your argument.
Why's that, merely because i dare correct your inaccuracies in debate. Sorry didn't realise that correction or evidence of alternative argument was only allowed to appear one way on here. I guess i touched a nerve.
There is also the Royal College of Nursing warning that the number of nurses registering to work in the UK fell by a quarter immediately after the referendum vote. I would have thought there has to be a strong link as highlighted by two professional organizations to Brexit, but yes you can always argue otherwise.
That article was written by an unnamed NHE columnist, we do not know what their political views are or how they voted during brexit, although I could have a wild guess.
As for being futile, is that the same futile when you used child labour as a response earlier. The same person then assumes everyone's nationality and no one of any other nationality would support Watford as a retort, so much for open minded debate, but hey i'm just futile. Everyone assumes because I support Gillingham, i must be from Gillingham and live in Gillingham, think some Man U supporters would have a problem if that was the case.
