When was it a family thing to go out and work in the fields ? At any rate well before the EU. arrived on the scene. The vast majority of farms are now far too large to be worked in that way - so, we get machines to do it and the rest becomes seasonal labour, which, prior to immigration, was mostly done by women and children. So maybe the solution is to bring back child labour ! What do you mean by ''We want our nation back'' ? Are the 3-4% of the population from the EU. somehow a threat to the English way of life ? Or are you referring to all those EU. laws which have cleaned up our beaches and air ? 95% of which were voted for by the British delegates in Brussels (a higher success rate than for any other country). Yet apparently something like Trident is not a threat to our sovereignty - even though it can only be used with the express permission of Washington. We are right to keep on debating this, and to keep holding people to account, because although 52% of the people who actually voted decided to embark on a journey there was no consensus as to the destination. There is no one 'Brexit position' - there are many, because people voted for many different reasons. For many it was immigration, for some a misguided idea of sovereignty, for others a 'cultural thing' ie. many feel closer to America than to Europe, for others an expression of not wanting to be in a club which they think is run by Germany. There was also a left wing Brexit ie. people who feel that a future programme of nationalization would be difficult within the EU. There were also others who voted simply to topple Cameron, or as a plain anti establishment vote (probably the least logical reason of all). We will probably never have a complete breakdown of all the reasons - but all of us need to be involved in shaping what Britain looks like after Brexit. Very few of us want a Singapore like, bargain basement, tax oasis before the shores of Europe - nor do we want a fracking island swamped by cheap Chinese steel and American gene manipulated poison.
You're not wrong - and with the Tory Party doing all they can to speed things along. I hear that Theresa May is allowing the '****** in the woodpile' MP, Anne Morris, back into the fold - and this after Ruth Davidson has allowed two Tory Councillor bigots back in after they were banished for racist and sectarian abuse. Like May, Davidson has gone into hiding to avoid being interviewed about her decision - something she regularly does.
Jesus wept - what a totally inept bunch of idiots. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...in-absurd-brexit-ruling-by-home-a3618176.html
Yes.... and just imagine post Brexit the mess we will get in... already people are thinking twice about coming to work here...
All the lawyers who have been drumming up trade in Baghdad, and have been discredited, could set up a new industry trying to stop deportations.
In Kent it always was a family thing to go fruit picking, especially apples, pears during the summer holidays for the early fruit. Why do you over exaggerate it with a child labor, now your talking ridiculous to suit your purpose. Clearly if you think in the way you have responded you've got absolutely no idea about fruit picking. It's as I said early there is no balance in the remain argument, whereas I remain open minded to opinion. I only passed the fruit fields a few days ago....where women we're piling into four mini buses after a day in the fields, the same jobs British mum's used to do this time of season. No machinery involved, well unless you count a tractor picking up a fruit bin! I hold no apology when I say all I read is a bunch of ex Pat's that sodded off out of the UK then want to start griping over our vote....not only griping but talking absolute rubbish by your response to me in that last rant. I think I had given some very reasonable responses accepting views to be met by a barrage of nonsense, the same nonsense that does the remain campaign no favours imho.
There is a hardcore of remoaners on this forum, ably named the 'clique' by a worn down former poster who left because of the constant insults. They are a misguided bunch who think by highlighting any difficulties with Brexit there will be a magical moment when the referendum result will be completely ignored. They are probably hoping the anti democratic EU declares the result null and void because it did not follow the eurocrats desires. They have predicted many barriers to Brexit only to see these fail one after the other. They should brace themselves for more disappointments.
One of my neighbours used to spend her summer holiday as a child in the hop fields of Kent. Long days, but she talks about how they sat around in the evenings, singing and laughing. That was all that they could afford, but they were fed and accommodation was provided in converted barns. They would meet up with the same people each year, and remembers it with a deal of fondness. Many of the people who worked on the farms were travelers from all over the place, many coming from Ireland, and of course people like my friend were not locals. Since the 1960's hops have been picked by machine, so that is a job that has gone. As she says though no one would accept that as a family holiday now.
I agree with hops absolutely and I certainly do not blame migrants for that, a fair response. However, in my earlier responses at no point did I mention hops, simply because I agree on your valid points here as hops were the earlier generation.
I am not an ex-pat Our views are different but calling someone else's views nonsense does not help There are many many good reasons to remain and we have talked about them over the many months this thread has been running. I don't think remainers on here agree on masse about all the aspects of the debate. However it must be remembered we were in the EU and a referendum about whether to leave or not was held. So Brexiters had to convince me to change my views. I for one on balance clearly favoured staying..... and i still think that is the best option. No one has really been clear about what it means..... in reality and there has been much debate on that in all the media etc
You make it quite obvious with this reply that you are not capable of reading more than the first couple of lines of people's texts before replying - I am not griping about anyone, just saying that all people must be active in shaping the Britain of the future and not just a bunch of blinkered idiots who want to isolate Britain from anything 'foreign'. Do ex pats not have just as much right to express opinions as yourself - or are we persona non grata ? We carry British passports and are as much effected by this as anyone - perhaps more so.
Agree, I've no problem with difference of opinion but to throw child labor in as a response is nonsense from the perspective I was highlighting, it just devalues the debate.
Tbh I felt I was reading war and peace and the first few sentences on child labor for me killed it. You lost your audience with that comment.
You have been told time and again about this - you have no right whatsoever to bring Leo into these discussions or to make presumptions about why he left when he is not here to contradict it.
My goodness me, don't we get along well brb. People will think that we have something between us that is not general knowledge. No, you didn't mention hops, but I was trying to use it as a way to show how life has changed. I watched the NFU giving evidence to a select committee and that showed that there is hardly any crop that could not be harvested by machine if the capital investment was there. Some of the machines are available but so expensive only the largest farming organizations can afford them. As the smaller farmers will be unable to compete they will have to sell up, which will reduce the seasonal workers as a natural event. It of course will not help those who are local looking for a bit of pin money. The countryside is changing also to accommodate the larger machines, with hedgerows disappearing, something I find alarming with the resultant upsetting of the natural balance. I would wish to see the smaller units viable for as long as possible even if it means bringing seasonal workers in as in the hop fields.
He will do his usual and ignore the point you made, as he does with any uncomfortable truths, then spout on about the "clique" followed up with some out of date newspaper article. But what he will not do is counter an argument in his own words.
Today there has been plenty of news regarding Brexit, including the latest in the Telegraph. The Government will reveal on Thursday that new border checks introduced last year found 97 percent of international students - one of the biggest groups of immigrants - left after finishing their studies. It had previously been thought that tens of thousands of international students remain in the country illegally and the disclosure that the majority are leaving casts serious doubt on the reliability of the official immigration statistics. The immigration figures are based on relatively small-scale passenger surveys at airports, even though they are one of the most politically sensitive pieces of data which dominated recent election campaigns and the Brexit referendum. Do we get any thoughtful comments from SH? Britain could remain under the direct control of the European court of justice for years after Brexit, it has emerged, and still be forced to implement the court’s rulings on vexed issues such as immigration. The expanding scale of the prime minister’s climbdown over her promise to “take back control of British law” was revealed as the government published its latest position paper on dispute resolution before the next round of Brexit talks. Do we get any thoughtful comments from SH?
