The irony of the immigration point is that as we negotiate new deals with other countries like India, they too will want easy/simplified access.
Indeed, and we're peddling British made goods that are largely produced here by foreign owned companies, who are producing in the UK to service the European market. Brave new World.....what a load of utter cobblers.
No. The EU can only apply tariffs to us that are equal to that of their most favoured nation, according to WTO rules. Tariffs aren't why they were, with notable exceptions of some foundation industries like steel for example which are effectively subsidised and protected in Europe. 15% is the currency devaluation, which will probably fall again (unless Trump gets into power ). Don't be fooled by thinking that this is entirely a bad thing. Overnight, the U.K. Got 15-20% more competitive. This more than outweighs any tariff increases for export. Also, don't forget that the UK is the largest single customer of the EU. Even if the could, which they can't, the EU would be mad to throw their weight about. By the way, on that 15% increase. It isn't that.....we are seeing swathes of corporate profit taking with all of the confusion. If your cost is 5 and you sell at 10, a 15% price increase means you sell at 11.50. However, only your costs have increased by 15% 5 should become 5.75. The price should rise from 10 to 10.75 but the greedy buggers are moaning about cost increases then applying it to their profit too!! Give it a few months and competition will start to work and they'll drop some. Now back to the discussion at hand. The tariffs will be manageable, if ever implemented. But we have many other aces up our sleeve; fishing waters (we own large swathes of it), our defence strategy, our buying power; were still the 5th largest economy in the world....and more....much more.... Realistically, people have **** themselves because a lot of very very rich people with skin in the game are calling foul. FFS, the person who tool the case to court is a hedge fund manager I think.....should tell you all you need to know.... Tell me, would you rather pay 5% more but as a country, do as we please (within reason) or let some ****wit in Brussels or Strasberg dictate what's best for you with no accountability? And while we do as we please, we can build something decent and not worry if it upsets someone in Lithuania (no offence). The financial industry has already ****ed the world over in the last decade, why would we cow tow to them? Not again, surely?
You're confusing inflation caused by currency devaluation (which will hit is hard next year) and tariffs which haven't hit us at all yet.
I'm not confusing anything mate, I never mentioned tariffs, I was talking solely about the inflationary effect of the crashing pound. But seeing as you have.....the simplistic argument that we import more than we export therefore tariffs will work in our favour is also cobblers. As it ignores 2 points; 1. UK produced goods that use EU imported materials. 2. And arguably more importantly - our full access to the single market removes boundaries and red tape from exports. We live in a World of just in time deliveries to both manufacturing plants and supermarkets etc. The red tape alone would see our exported goods supply chains dramatically slowed and would affect their attractiveness to that market. And that's before you add in the potential tariffs.
1. fishing... who cares? spain certainly would but they go where they like 2. that hedge fund manager should be worrying you. if they want to block it that bad it shows how worried they are in london. 3. defence... you know france has more aircraft carriers.. you know euro fighter was developed with germany and spain and france.. on our own we suck.. what if scotland takes scappa flow away 4. buying power... 60mil v the 450mil across europe with a lot of that 60mil or so being broke. yeah.... Do as we please is a nice concept but the reality is we can't do what we please at all.. thats the sad case of it. without european partnership and without EEA that do what we please amounts to a hill of beans. its do what we can not what we pelase. The problem is that something decent is a dream while the reality is May turning oft remain to hardest line leaver for political gain in power.
We got our fish back - get the ****ing flags out Only we didn't, as who and with what is going to police it? Answers on a postcard. A few more cod will more than balance out the loss of 75k+ jobs in the financial sector mate, sound
I have to go to work but simply: 1) the judges who made the ruling were just following constitutional law. The papers did what the papers always do. Make **** up. 2) there are dozens of directives that do not favour us and many that are good for all. Reach/Rohs compliance for example. Free movement of people is the obvious one. Our services are bursting g at the seams. Unlimited immigration makes no sense at all. Immigration is pivotal for growth I might add, I'm not one of these racist dickwads! How about the rules on government intervention in industry while same governments have propped up some industries and indeed grown them through acquisition. The red tape of doing business in Europe actually only favours large corporates who can afford the infrastructure. Am off to work (in Europe) now....but if you want a list, go look for them. Have to say though that if I could vote people in and out of power, the real power, not the MEP's, then I'd say stay in. We cannot. It's not a democracy anymore.
the reality of it is that on one side i nthe north sea its norway not in eu and on the south side its france who give a **** and on the west side its ireland who are in eu and who's waters are full of spanish. On the north somewhere iceland will buffer up. not really seeing a huge chunk of atlantic that the spanish will depend on. Fishing is a poor countries game IMO, not even on page 3. the influence surrendered to germany and france is absolutely huge though.
Free movement of people is a 2 way street, and our services are at breaking point due to lack of Govt investment and an ageing population, not a relatively small increase in the net number of heads that reside here - who collectively make a positive impact on the treasury's purse. The rules on Govt assistance in industry are universal, the fact that the Germans for example have found ways round them to protect their heavy industry via enegy rebates, whilst our lot stood there and shrugged their shoulders as our Steel industry goes to the wall, reflects their political stance not their ability to assist. Blaming the EU was a convenient scapegoat. How is the red tape of doing business in Europe going to improve if we lose full single market access???
Like the one in India where she's been told that the Indians want more migration into the UK before they do a deal? This is going well already.
I think this is an over-simplification. EU Directives are not laws in individual member states until implemented by the national parliaments of those states. EU Regulations hold primacy over national laws, but they, as well as Directives, are passed by the elected EU Parliament, not simply devised and implemented by unelected civil servants. There isn't actually a huge practical difference between the process and that of our own parliament. There are differences in the detail, but the effects are broadly similar. I like the idea of MP's sitting down and drafting laws all by themselves, but I rather suspect they are put together by (unelected) civil servants to ensure they fit the necessary legal framework to get them passed. As for being able to vote out your government if you don't like them - two points: 1. The same is true of the EU parliament. 2. If you can only choose between dumb and dumber, does it really matter that much? The EU is cumbersome and needs sorting out, but can the self-serving clowns we have in our own government do a better job?
Great, the bankers say it must be so...so it must be so Give me 75,000 fishing jobs over those ****ing blood sucking leeches any day People have fallen hook line and sinker for the doomsday scenario. It won't happen. It's ****ing politics. The U.K. Will be fine outside of the EU because for the very simple reason every other ****ing country outside of the eu is fine Right now our economy is growing and that forecast has just been revised upwards. We were meant to be on our knees by now weren't we?? Most people do not have a ****ing clue on the basic economics or politics involved.
Corbyn didn't say much that was helpful during the debate, but he was RIGHT when he said that you're vastly more likely to be treated by immigrant medical staff than to share a ward or examination waiting room with immigrants (you certainly are here in York, as that was my experience when I went through various arse-probings back in May and June).
You're like my ****ing dimwitted, Brexit-voting sister who asked me in July why there hadn't been the financial meltdown predicted by the Remainers. Apart from the pound collapsing, hold your breath until Article 50 is triggered - that'll be the catalyst.
they will be very lucky seeing all the public servants in NI and wales have their noses in the trough and will suck up any available money. theres 3 simple things that should have been sorted if UK was stronger in europe and not so skeptic and nose thumbing. 1. Free movement is fine, free social welfare is not. Anyone with a brain could see admitting all of eastern europe into EU when they'd not a job between 10 of them over there would elad to mass migration. BUt also if you've no job anyway why would anyone sit there when you can sit anywhere else for more money. IT should always have been get a job, move welcome.. not get a social security number ge tthe dole and sit here or anywhere else 2. the entire parliament in europe as been dominated by ukip meps who have only sought to protest not to work. The whole thing needed reform but now all they see is farage two fingers and ukip attempted murders in meeting rooms. 3. most importantly UK could have insisted that the germans have the wrists slapped for ****ing lending like loons and stop torturing greece etc, print money and write off debts. Uk stood by and let it happen really.
