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Little bit of investigation showed he had a tendency to appear where certain controversial stories appeared despite never showing a interest in that particular board previous. This would suggest he is a wum. If not, I don't care and I don't think too many on here would give a **** about him being banned.
 
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Unfortunately he won't be the only ill-informed bigot out there. We've already had a rival on here, mature and open minded enough to say he believed the lies at first but on hearing the evidence and admittance of lies, together with real information, has made his own mind up and reversed his original opinion. The ones who continue to believe the lies are the ones who've already made their [closed] minds up and are happy in their hatred. What a waste of human brainpower!
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I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Cheese thread. It happened in the Cheese, but it's highly relevant to the OP.

A week last Thursday, I got to the Cheese after work. It's always a heavy day in there as Denice does the afternoon shift and the sambuca's out. Also, the lines are cleaned, so all the ale that's pulled off first is put in the fridges for free consumption. Johnny Jenks was bladdered and was with his mate Reno. Both are mid-60s. Reno's is a very nice guy, but has quite a dark past. He was a REAL Hell's Angel and carried a machete and baseball bat. He's also a manc and a united supporter. We always get on, even though he knows where I'm from and who I support.

This evening he was pissed and suddenly started on the Munich thing, saying the Scouse scum were always singing THAT song. I told him I didn't do that. He then went on to Heysel. I told him to stop as I had been there and there were two sides to the story. Then it was Hillsborough. He actually said "If it wasn't for those pissed-up Scouse twats without tickets bursting the doors down, it wouldn't have happened. I walked off. I haven't seen him since, but I hope he's around at the weekend <ok>
 
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I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Cheese thread. It happened in the Cheese, but it's highly relevant to the OP.

A week last Thursday, I got to the Cheese after work. It's always a heavy day in there as Denice does the afternoon shift and the sambuca's out. Also, the lines are cleaned, so all the ale that's pulled off first is put in the fridges for free consumption. Johnny Jenks was bladdered and was with his mate Reno. Both are mid-60s. Reno's is a very nice guy, but has quite a dark past. He was a REAL Hell's Angel and carried a machete and baseball bat. He's also a manc and a united supporter. We always get on, even though he knows where I'm from and who I support.

This evening he was pissed and suddenly started on the Munich thing, saying the Scouse scum were always singing THAT song. I told him I didn't do that. He then went on to Heysel. I told him to stop as I had been there and there were two sides to the story. Then it was Hillsborough. He actually said "If it wasn't for those pissed-up Scouse twats without tickets bursting the doors down, it wouldn't have happened. I walked off. I haven't seen him since, but I hope he's around at the weekend <ok>
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It's hard for people to let go of hatred that had defined them, that had been one of the few certainties in a sometimes confusing and turbulent world. Maturity is recognising that instinct, even in yourself, of catagorising people on the basis of race, skin colour, culture and so forth, and jumping to quick, easy judgements that can't be shifted by mere evidence and reality. I think psychologists call it confirmation bias.

You can 'win' the argument, and it's important to do so, but the limitation is that you'll never convince nor change everyone. I'm reminded of an article I read recently on the 50th anniversary commemorations of the Selma civil rights marches. The journalists spoke to some white folk there who still tend the grave of Nathan Forest Bedford and justify him being the first grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK as if it was a post-war civil defence organisation, and that slavery was actually good and humane for black people, that kept them fed and housed. Similar to some of the post-war German excuses for the death camps.

Pity them; but never, never let their bile go unanswered, even if you have no chance of changing them.
 
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Red Hadron Collider said:
I wasn't sure whether to post this here or on the Cheese thread. It happened in the Cheese, but it's highly relevant to the OP.

A week last Thursday, I got to the Cheese after work. It's always a heavy day in there as Denice does the afternoon shift and the sambuca's out. Also, the lines are cleaned, so all the ale that's pulled off first is put in the fridges for free consumption. Johnny Jenks was bladdered and was with his mate Reno. Both are mid-60s. Reno's is a very nice guy, but has quite a dark past. He was a REAL Hell's Angel and carried a machete and baseball bat. He's also a manc and a united supporter. We always get on, even though he knows where I'm from and who I support.

This evening he was pissed and suddenly started on the Munich thing, saying the Scouse scum were always singing THAT song. I told him I didn't do that. He then went on to Heysel. I told him to stop as I had been there and there were two sides to the story. Then it was Hillsborough. He actually said "If it wasn't for those pissed-up Scouse twats without tickets bursting the doors down, it wouldn't have happened. I walked off. I haven't seen him since, but I hope he's around at the weekend <ok>
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It will never change mate but as donga said, don't let it go unchallenged. Some people are quite happy believing the lies, they don't really want to know the truth, it's sad and very frustrating. Funny how all these people who weren't there are experts on the situation as well.
 
Duckenfield still trying to perpetrate the lies and smears even though he's admitted liability.

Michael Mansfield QC: "This wasn't fans turning up late having got into a drunken state was it?"

Mr Duckenfield: "I think you and I will have to disagree on that."

The former police match commander admits he received no information on the day that Liverpool fans were causing trouble on their way along Leppings Lane into the ground.

There's a game being played here by Duckenfield and a clear strategy from his lawyers, accept liability for things that can't put you before a judge and to spread the blame for the aftermath on lower ranks within SYP at the time as well as(without actual proof)still blame Liverpool supporters.

Either him or Bettison will spill the beans if and hopefully when the threat of prosecution arises.

Then watch the back stabbing start with a vengeance.
 
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Just reading the trial as it happens - police with dogs were called for before any call made to ambulance service - it just gets worse and worse. That man has so much to answer for.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
Just reading the trial as it happens - police with dogs were called for before any call made to ambulance service - it just gets worse and worse. That man has so much to answer for.
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Deffo, he had officers in the stands above the terraces, in the rear of the turnstiles,outside of the turnstiles, on the running track behind the goal, radio contact and a birds eye view of the terraces from about 50 yards away, yet called for dogs as well as leaving his cast iron order in place that under no circumstances were the gates leading to the pitch to be opened unless he gave the order.
 
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Deffo, he had officers in the stands above the terraces, in the rear of the turnstiles,outside of the turnstiles, on the running track behind the goal, radio contact and a birds eye view of the terraces from about 50 yards away, yet called for dogs as well as leaving his cast iron order in place that under no circumstances were the gates leading to the pitch to be opened unless he gave the order.
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The officers behind the goal and in front of the fences must have been witnessing some horrendous scenes and would surely have informed the control room of what was happening.

Duckenfield will have known that the crowd surge and crush was a direct result of him giving the order for the gate to be opened, at this point he must have paniced and instead of admitting it was a crowd crush situation, tried to make out it was crowd disorder by calling in the dogs, at the same time as people were dying on the terraces. Who knows what those crucial minutes inaction due to his desire to create a false narrative cost, in terms of human life. For shame, for ****ing shame.
 
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Looking at a photo of the inside of the police box, David Duckenfield says he can see a plan of the stadium lying on top of a table.

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Asking Mr Duckenfield about his failure to consider the consequences of opening an exit gate, Mr Mansfield QC says: All you had to do was look at the plan. Did you?
Mr Duckenfield: "No, because I wasn't in that position."
Mr Mansfield QC: "Three paces away.."

Mr Duckenfield agrees he "steadfastly deceived" people in a meeting in the Hillsborough stadium boardroom at about 16:00 as he still didn't say he'd ordered the gate open.
 
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Looking at a photo of the inside of the police box, David Duckenfield says he can see a plan of the stadium lying on top of a table.

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Asking Mr Duckenfield about his failure to consider the consequences of opening an exit gate, Mr Mansfield QC says: All you had to do was look at the plan. Did you?
Mr Duckenfield: "No, because I wasn't in that position."
Mr Mansfield QC: "Three paces away.."

Mr Duckenfield agrees he "steadfastly deceived" people in a meeting in the Hillsborough stadium boardroom at about 16:00 as he still didn't say he'd ordered the gate open.
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Give him enough rope and he'll hang himself, he's already got past the last meal and the padre giving him the last rites, he's on his way up the steps of the gallows at this point.
 
And so at 5.45 on the day of the disaster the chief constable of SYP knew that Duckenfield was responsible for opening the gate yet the following day on a tour of the terraces on Leppings Lane with Thatcher and the FA led them to believe Liverpool fans forced the gate.


Mr Duckenfield agrees he "steadfastly deceived" people in a meeting in the Hillsborough stadium boardroom at about 16:00 as he still didn't say he'd ordered the gate open.

He says all he can remember is a sea of faces and someone asking how many were dead.

He went to South Yorkshire Police headquarters at about 17:45, where he told the then Chief Constable Peter Wright that he ordered the opening of exit gate C.


Is Peter Wright still wasting oxygen or has he popped his clogs?
 
Michael Mansfield QC asks Mr Duckenfield why he failed to mention his conversation with FA chief executive Graham Kelly, in which lied about fans forcing an exit gate, in his statement to the Taylor inquiry.

"It didn't seem significant," he replied.

The former police match commander admitted telling Mr Kelly in the hours after the disaster that some Liverpool fans forced exit gate C when, in fact, he had given the order to open it.

Unbelievable, It was possibly the most significant error on the day.
 
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Peter Wright said.

" if drunken and marauding fans were to blame let somebody else say it"

Well due to his and his colleagues deliberate misinformation and lies the Tory media were honour bound to say it for them weren't they.
 
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