Duckenfield

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

The match commander at Hillsborough has agreed he was "incompetent" and said his "mistakes" and "oversight" caused the deaths of 96 fans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31850599

He admitted this a few minutes ago at the inquests in Warrington, no doubt the moron that's believed what the media has told him for 26 year will accuse Duckenfield of lying.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

The match commander at Hillsborough has agreed he was "incompetent" and said his "mistakes" and "oversight" caused the deaths of 96 fans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31850599

He admitted this a few minutes ago at the inquests in Warrington, no doubt the moron that's believed what the media has told him for 26 year will accuse Duckenfield of lying.

Lets hope he points the finger at others who not only went along with the lies but enforced them too; aka Bettison!

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Lets hope he points the finger at others who not only went along with the lies but enforced them too; aka Bettison!

I hope and feel sure it will.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Lets hope he points the finger at others who not only went along with the lies but enforced them too; aka Bettison!

And that is the point now, not what happened and why (that was already beyond dispute from the Taylor Report), but why there was a whole societal wish to believe a pretty blatant government-organised disinformation programme not seen in this country outside of wartime. What was it that was SO important to The Establishment that they couldn't admit that an incompetent senior police officer simply lost control of a major sporting event and that led to 96 deaths? Why on earth did that truth need too be resisted for decades, with the whole apparatus of the state and judiciary (and tacit compliance of the Fourth Estate that applauds itself for supposedly exposing these calumnies) at the forefront of it?

These are the questions to take forward after this process, and if any citizen, or should I say 'subject' of this nation think that this was just an issue of drunken, ticketless fans getting out of hand then I suggest they should think again: do we control they people we elect and pay our taxes to run this country, or is the whole democratic process of government and policing an illusion that can be manipulated at will by those who crave authority but can never accept the responsibility that accompanies it?

With the pitchfork-wielders like Wiggins about, we can see why those shadowy manipulators think they'll always get away with it.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Mr Menon said when it "suits you, you can't remember [but] when you want to assert something, your memory is absolutely fine".

That is pretty much the feeling of most I would imagine. But the response of...

"This is one of the strange realities of post-traumatic stress disorder," Mr Duckenfield replied, drawing gasps from the courtroom.

...is a ****ing joke. Like he's done for years, he's continuing to hide behind medical grounds!

 

[Tobes]

And that is the point now, not what happened and why (that was already beyond dispute from the Taylor Report), but why there was a whole societal wish to believe a pretty blatant government-organised disinformation programme not seen in this country outside of wartime. What was it that was SO important to The Establishment that they couldn't admit that an incompetent senior police officer simply lost control of a major sporting event and that led to 96 deaths? Why on earth did that truth need too be resisted for decades, with the whole apparatus of the state and judiciary (and tacit compliance of the Fourth Estate that applauds itself for supposedly exposing these calumnies) at the forefront of it?

These are the questions to take forward after this process, and if any citizen, or should I say 'subject' of this nation think that this was just an issue of drunken, ticketless fans getting out of hand then I suggest they should think again: do we control they people we elect and pay our taxes to run this country, or is the whole democratic process of government and policing an illusion that can be manipulated at will by those who crave authority but can never accept the responsibility that accompanies it?

With the pitchfork-wielders like Wiggins about, we can see why those shadowy manipulators think they'll always get away with it.

Thatchers Britain mate. Football was the working mans game, she hated it and the image it gave us abroad, as she proved with the self imposed ban post Heysel.

Football fans were treated like low life back then and Policed accordingly. Had they admitted the truth at the time there'd have been abolsute carnage, maybe even social disturbance. So they decided (at the higest level imo) to bury it and lie, aided by the Tory press they set about spreading their mis-information. The lies mushroomed, but the passion for truth has fortunately eventually won the day.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

And that is the point now, not what happened and why (that was already beyond dispute from the Taylor Report), but why there was a whole societal wish to believe a pretty blatant government-organised disinformation programme not seen in this country outside of wartime. What was it that was SO important to The Establishment that they couldn't admit that an incompetent senior police officer simply lost control of a major sporting event and that led to 96 deaths? Why on earth did that truth need too be resisted for decades, with the whole apparatus of the state and judiciary (and tacit compliance of the Fourth Estate that applauds itself for supposedly exposing these calumnies) at the forefront of it?

These are the questions to take forward after this process, and if any citizen, or should I say 'subject' of this nation think that this was just an issue of drunken, ticketless fans getting out of hand then I suggest they should think again: do we control they people we elect and pay our taxes to run this country, or is the whole democratic process of government and policing an illusion that can be manipulated at will by those who crave authority but can never accept the responsibility that accompanies it?

With the pitchfork-wielders like Wiggins about, we can see why those shadowy manipulators think they'll always get away with it.

Very, very well put, Donga

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Thatchers Britain mate. Football was the working mans game, she hated it and the image it gave us abroad, as she proved with the self imposed ban post Heysel.

Football fans were treated like low life back then and Policed accordingly. Had they admitted the truth at the time there'd have been abolsute carnage, maybe even social disturbance. So they decided (at the higest level imo) to bury it and lie, aided by the Tory press they set about spreading their mis-information. The lies mushroomed, but the passion for truth has fortunately eventually won the day.

I'm in passionate agreement with you, mate. As I said earlier, I have no doubt in my mind that Thatcher was implicit in this. I hope this leads all the way back to her and her name becomes forever blighted because of it. Same for every corrupt **** in this whole stinking 'food chain'

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I'm in passionate agreement with you, mate. As I said earlier, I have no doubt in my mind that Thatcher was implicit in this. I hope this leads all the way back to her and her name becomes forever blighted because of it. Same for every corrupt **** in this whole stinking 'food chain'

Thing is, if Thatcher was behind it all, why don't they all just say that in unison now she is dead and can't defend herself...? Surely that would be the 'easy escape'...?

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Thing is, if Thatcher was behind it all, why don't they all just say that in unison now she is dead and can't defend herself...? Surely that would be the 'easy escape'...?

Because the can of worms it would open up would be monumental

 

[Tobes]

Thing is, if Thatcher was behind it all, why don't they all just say that in unison now she is dead and can't defend herself...? Surely that would be the 'easy escape'...?

No mate.

As there's plenty in the food chain between the likes of Dukenfield and Thatcher who are still breathing.....plus he'd never be able to make that stick as a lone voice.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Because the can of worms it would open up would be monumental

Well they've already proved they're not scared of doing certain things so why would that stop them? My point is, blaming thatcher would be an easy escape for all these ****s if they wanted since she can't argue against it, no body can. Unless of course there is still something the government haven't revealed.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

No mate.

As there's plenty in the food chain between the likes of Dukenfield and Thatcher who are still breathing.....plus he'd never be able to make that stick as a lone voice.

I never said as a lone voice, I said if they all did it.

PS...I'm not saying for one second that they should, will or or even could. Just posting a question.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

I agree. She and the ruling elite of '89 were the catalyst of this, but that doesn't explain 11 years of a Labour government continuing the process, unless you come to the (inevitable?) conclusion that the likes of the unctuous Jack Straw are completely interchangeable with their Tory counterparts. Establishment puppets with red ties rather than blue.

Makes you bitterly acknowledge the old adage that whoever you vote for, the government gets in.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I agree. She and the ruling elite of '89 were the catalyst of this, but that doesn't explain 11 years of a Labour government continuing the process, unless you come to the (inevitable?) conclusion that the likes of the unctuous Jack Straw our completely interchangeable with their Tory counterparts. Establishment puppets with red ties rather than blue.

Makes you bitterly acknowledge the old adage that whoever you vote for, the government gets in.

Which is why I just said "Unless of course there is still something the government haven't revealed." above

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

Thing is, if Thatcher was behind it all, why don't they all just say that in unison now she is dead and can't defend herself...? Surely that would be the 'easy escape'...?

Don't think she was behind it, her and her government were already "at war" with Liverpool, she could have easily asked for proof of what SYP told her but choosing to believe the lies without question and knowing the families, the club and the supporters never had a strong enough voice or platform at the time to disprove it gave her and her government the ok to carry on the vendetta against us.

 

[Tobes]

I agree. She and the ruling elite of '89 were the catalyst of this, but that doesn't explain 11 years of a Labour government continuing the process, unless you come to the (inevitable?) conclusion that the likes of the unctuous Jack Straw are completely interchangeable with their Tory counterparts. Establishment puppets with red ties rather than blue.

Makes you bitterly acknowledge the old adage that whoever you vote for, the government gets in.

It's all about poitical gain mate. What would Labour at that time stood to have gained from exposing it's Police Force as corrupt, lying, incompetent idiots who had the blood of the 96 on their hands? As at the time many of the people directly involved both in the force and civil servants would have still been serving.

 

[Tobes]

Don't think she was behind it, her and her government were already "at war" with Liverpool, she could have easily asked for proof of what SYP told her but choosing to believe the lies without question and knowing the families, the club and the supporters never had a strong enough voice or platform at the time to disprove it gave her and her government the ok to carry on the vendetta against us.

If it wasn't for the high profile Press smear campaign I'd make you right, but SYP didn't have the sway to make that happen on it's own. I've no doubt they were primed on that one by Westminster.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

If it wasn't for the high profile Press smear campaign I'd make you right, but SYP didn't have the sway to make that happen on it's own. I've no doubt they were primed on that one by Westminster.

Not saying what you say is out of the question but you're not taking into account that the high up's at SYP were/are part of the establishment and were fully aware of the smear campaign against the city of Liverpool by the then government and the knowledge they would get away with the lies for the reasons in my earlier post.

But we've reached a massive milestone with Duckenfield's admission and I'm happy about that.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Not saying what you say is out of the question but you're not taking into account that the high up's at SYP were/are part of the establishment and were fully aware of the smear campaign against the city of Liverpool by the then government and the knowledge they would get away with the lies for the reasons in my earlier post.

But we've reached a massive milestone with Duckenfield's admission and I'm happy about that.

Agreed, but it needs to go all the way now.