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Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Darren Peacock’s Ponytail, Aug 27, 2020.

  1. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    You never understand anything that's the problem.

    I can't be any clearer really

    30 shots more than Krul with 6 more clean sheets.. Thats good for at least 6 more points having faced 30 more shots in the process..

    The fact he faced more shots than any other keeper is mathematical proof that newcastle were the ****test defence in the league bar the gk who in turn just happened to be one of the best if not the best

    Why is that so hard to understand? It's factual based on maths

    Your argument isn't backed up by anything demonstrable at all
     
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  2. Mick O'Toon

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    Serious question,what constitutes a save?

    I should have added in the stat count.
     
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  3. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    To be honest the goalkeeping ones are among the worst to rely on. If you just look at in the simplest of terms, not evening drilling down, shots saved is absolutely meaningless without context. If I hit 20 shots from 30yds at one keeper, and 20 shots at 5 yds at another, I think the first one will make more saves. Same goes for shots. Its why these PL clubs have teams of data analysts drilling down into the finer details and giving these stats context for the managers. The managers are still smart enough to know those stats are only there to assist their thinking, not actually decide it for them. However we get all the amateurs looking at the basic stats the PL and Opta give you, and presenting them as evidence to support their assertions. Its absolutely comical and they can't see why its not relevant.
     
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    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Its based on flawed maths as already proven. So your argument is absolutely worthless. Nothing new really <laugh>
     
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  5. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Whoa whoa whoa there Mick steady on, don't be going all accurate and ****. You are wasting your time, he can't see the wood for the trees. I've already explained why his stats are flawed, he is still ploughing on with them.

    Now if he went away and did a proper PL data analysts job on the stats available, he might be able to gain some traction. I'm not sure he will have the relevant IT packages though and its a lot of games to sit through. Especially our games <laugh>
     
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    Once again you've proved yourself to be dishonest and I'm saying dishonest because I know you're not stupid enough to deny the numbers,but have instead opted to pretend you don't rather tan concede the mathematical conclusion only a fish would struggle with.
     
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  7. Toonitus

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    Tbh if you're struggling with the answer to this question I'm happy to concede you're not dishonest
     
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  8. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Your stats are flawed mate. Why would you think you are able to go pluck a load of stats from Opta or PL statistics and that will give you factual information? You are surely smarter than this? Why do you think the PL teams are investing millions in people, equipment etc to get the correct data? Just for a laugh? Come on man, at least be sensible
     
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  9. Toonitus

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    Much like science it is the best working model and is a conclusion based on something that is demonstrable through something called evidence.

    Your argument is an illogical fallacy that isn't demonstrable by any evidence... You're just saying oh it doesn't work like that, it can't be right, but at the same time failing to come up with anything logical to bolster your claim

    You're simply refuting the numbers and instead deciding to roll with an argument from ignorance.
     
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  10. Mick O'Toon

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    No I'm interested to know,is a catch from a corner a save,do they count standing in his goal and saving(I would),he has 4 saves a match so is that genuine goal scoring chances stopped?

    BTW I think he's a good keeper and glad we have him.
     
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    Oh sorry mate.. It has to be a shot they save..

    I would imagine the numbers are only a rough indication, but a fairly accurate guide and enough to argue my case


    He's injured mate we're ****ed
     
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  12. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Think we can manage a few games like, relax everyone <laugh>
     
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  13. Toonitus

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    I dunno mate I look to our gk the way fans of nufc used to look to their number 9.
     
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  14. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Yeah, but we're talking a few games. Its ok.
     
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    6 weeks, but isn't there a bit of fixture congestion early due to the season starting late.? If its 2 games a week it's double impact.
     
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  16. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    You still haven't presented any actual accurate evidence/numbers. Just a few loose stats which have no context. Its the work of the simple to be honest. No need to repeat just read above, soak it up and improve yourself. I can respect a proper data analyst, but a lazy one has zero credibility.
     
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  17. Toonitus

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    Then please go ahead and demonstrate what evidence you have to suggest that the numbers and theory posed in specific relation to those numbers is incorrect
     
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  18. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Er how about all of the context mentioned above? <laugh> This just shows you are ignorant. You've got your opinion and aren't willing to take on board any information. Once people get like this, they are wrong a lot. Have you got the breakdown of where every shot was taken from, what speed it was travelling, had it taken a deflection, how well directed they were etc etc. No? Sorry but your stats are as much use as a chocolate fireguard then unfortunately. If you marched into Klopps office with this ****, he'd take a **** on your face for being so stupid.
     
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    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    Again

    Please demonstrate why the conclusions I sighted from the figures this morning are incorrect... If you can demonstrate with anything logical then this is your opportunity to..

    I'll wait

    I'll wait forever
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    No requirement too. Its for you to give your stats credence. At present they have non for the above stated reasons.
     
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