Dubravka

Ah I see.

No seriously I do understand where you are coming from and it could have been a foul on another day.

But he could have done better is all I am saying.

 

Back to Dubravka: should have done better for the goal but had made at least 3 excellent saves prior to that. All in all, an ok display but one that he should work on improving.

And I think it was a foul but I didn't think that till the third replay. Can't whinge too much. Those things happen. Still should have dealt with it.

 

don't know what he could of done better to be honest, it was an easy catch to make, no need to punch it,
you could also say that Lascells and Shar didn't challenge for the ball knowing it was an easy catch for the keeper

but it doesn't detract from the foul, he was clearly impeeded



sorry but still pissed off and got to get it out of my system
as it is all to much of a habit now with these officials
I believe that is about the 7th time where a match changing decision has gone against us this season

 

Well, that's what I do.

 

Just watched it on Sky, definitely a foul, simple as. Wolves lad put both arms on his shoulders .
What was Lascelles giving him grief for ? He needs to concentrate on his own game, been poor lately.

 

It wasn't a foul

 

Goalkeepers are too protected, I don't think it was a foul. Boly's momentum put him had him going into the keeper and if anything his arms stopped the keeper getting clattered. Dubravka should be catching it, and for me he has dropped yet another bollock.

Overall he is in credit, but if we do go down by a point or two, I'm afraid he has cost us in those moments.

 

So we don't count anybody else's mistakes costing us points if we go down by a point or two ( or for Bisc "four", hope you're not a Maths teacher!!)

If we go down by a point or two then it's a collective responsibility for all involved with any additional credit going to Mikey.

 

T.

 

This exactly, I don't think you can give it clearly in real time as it all happens so quick with 4/5 bodies all within a square meter there but having looked it back it does look like a push in the keepers back.

Exactly what VAR will prevent when it comes in but I do worry every time a goal goes in we will end up sitting about for 1 or 2 minutes viewing replays because every player and manager is going to give the "TV review" sign when ever a goal goes in regardless.

 

For the Sunderland fans laughing at Dubravka's "mistake"

FACT - a total of 17 errors from goalkeepers cost Sunderland a goal and/or points last season. It cost them 31 points in total - 8 points would’ve kept them up

 

If this had been at the other end and disallowed you’d be complaining that there’s hardly any contact. Using the lists above, there should’ve been 15 penalties yesterday from corners (most to Wolves I may add as you only had one corner but there was impedance from wolves players on your forwards and vice versa at the other end)

It was poor keeping. He should’ve punched it. Trust me I know what is poor keeping... our keepers cost us over 30 points last season as they were rubbish! Dubravkahas made a few mistakes recently but that’s the joy of a keeper, one mistake normally equals a goal and you get labelled. Centre forward misses a sitter and it’s forgotten about in minutes yet potentially just as costly

 

the thing is we have had this at the other end and the ref did blow for a foul
last season Mitrovic on 3 occasions

 

I think Dubs is generally ok. However he is fast becoming “error prone”, is noticeably erratic on crosses and his distribution is shocking.

I think he can be coached to be better as much of what he does wrong is simple and he does some very difficult, reaction stuff very well - you can’t coach reactions, you either have it or you don’t.

On relfection a draw is the least wolves deserved. We were very sloppy playing longer balls and didn’t really create much, as usual. The left side in particular was all over the place. They had some absolute gilt edged chances they didn’t put away, so if the shoe was on the other foot I think most of us would feel justice was done in the equaliser. Some of the late play in defence was a factor in the draw as well, some shoddy defending at times, bit desperate, noticeably from Lejeune.

 

To be honest, I thought it was a foul. He had both hands on his shoulders, how can you jump? Not to mention Lacselles getting nudged in the back. I would have been pleased with a draw before the game, but that felt like a defeat.

No way should he be dropped, but I think we've got capable replacements. Nowt the matter with Darlow imo.

Onwards and upwards. No less than six points in our next two games. Get them and it's a big step to safety.

 

Dubravka needs to learn to clean people out and punch a football.

 

Sorry, but a bit of a nonsense (although well intentioned) argument for two reasons.

Reason one, he is supposed to be one of the better players, so his mistakes mean more and cost more. Unless you are counting him as equally **** as the others, which flies in the face of previous posts. Not everyone in this team contributes evenly, so that argument is irrelevant. This forum is testament to the fact some players get more stick than others due to their supposed quality(see Kenedy, Shelvey etc). That bullshit "everyone being equally responsible" crack unavoidably makes you a hypocrite. It's what the coach tells the media at the end of a game, it is a falsehood though.

Additionally, mistakes from other players don't always lead to goals or loss of points. As the goalkeeper can't contribute much to scoring goals like the other players can, and as his mistakes virtually always lead to goals, his contribution is solely weighed to stopping them and it is accepted that a good goalkeeper saves you points rather than costing them.

He has actually cost us more than four points this season, Rashford, Son and Boly errors being the most memorable because they're recent. He should still be in credit, and is a good goalie, but he has a tremendous weakness which teams are exploiting now.

 

Either

Beelin

Or

Wumming

Or

Garbage.

Have the feel it’s wumming as even you can’t seriously believe the stuff you’ve written. Bit of advice from an “Oldie”, when in a hole stop digging. If I thought you were serious I’d respond but you’re not that daft to believe what you have written.

 

A goalie with poor distribution, susceptible to shots hit at him and crosses.

I’m no expert but that’s not an awesome mix.

 

But that wasn’t the point being made.