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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It's probably him in the boat ...

    ... strange how he has his back to the camera <laugh>
     
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  2. rooch 3

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    And?
     
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  3. Pure River Slut

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    I’ve done a lot of work with migrant families. Not specifically targeted but because they end up vulnerable to exploitation, with no school place, in care, missing, homeless etc
    There are honestly a myriad of reasons. It’s barely worth listing them but I’ll throw a few in - some are factual, some are myths/stories, some directl manipulation from the traffickers …
    You can get a well paid job and send money home
    England is safe - from war, organised criminals (over an additional sea from sag Paris is seen as safer - people flee then owe money to criminals so run)
    Family there is one of the biggest reasons
    We are tolerant eg people flee for being disabled eg -autism, lgbt - also mental
    heslth seen as witchcraft or the like
    You can get Uber rich and live in a palace (clearly that is bullshit )
    England have spaces where others are full (bullshit)
    Support football teams, role models (that’s the level of maturity - eg they support arsenal , Chelsea who heroes played for), also music
    Women have rights, religious rights
    There is food and plenty of water in England also one i’ve heard from places like Sudan
    Honestly there are many.
    I’ve found the huge majority thoroughly respectful, hard working, more so than British born estate kids who I also do a lot with . I’m not being pc saying this it just feels
    that way, that British born (including ethnic minority) are more selfish and lacking respect, empathy , but there is a challenge of the development of gangs - family members or cultural groups, poor, oppressed - joining forces to survive and that group dynamic tipping over, and also very traumatised people that are needy, troubled, consequently costly, in need of safety but not always creating safety for others
    I can’t buy in to the ‘nation state’ thing, I used to more until I experienced this. People are going to cross borders forever to survive now I reckon. So best to look out for everyone. There are kids in England have bigger needs than some migrants and that’s a disgrace, equally there are some migrants who have suffered more than you can ever imagine and it’s heartbreaking. That is polarising. Sorry for the long message.
     
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  4. Pure River Slut

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    A man who makes cash out of division isn’t the most reputable source.
     
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  5. rooch 3

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    He’s not the source.
     
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  6. Pure River Slut

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    No idea if the stats you quote are factual, I also see more young men, but this is probably the most trusted, official, factual source. I’m guessing migration watch take headlines from this https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/
     
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  8. Pure River Slut

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    Word goes around in camps. Camps are terrible things. Male on male rape, male on female rape, bullying, torture. The journey is horrific and I’m not talking the English Channel. It creates a sub culture where what is said becomes true even if it isn’t. I’d imagine there are loads of myths about what’s best to do but not just one. Farage will pick the outrage that gets clicks.
     
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  9. Pure River Slut

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    Apologies I didn’t read it all. I’m just saying that observatory isn’t driven by a belief. It’s like the public health source for migration.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

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    Migrant crisis ‘to last at least five more years’, leaked government memo says
    Internal document for civil servants claims No 10 is planning to use other sites to house asylum seekers over the coming years

    ByCharles Hymas, HOME AFFAIRS EDITOR13 August 2023 • 9:32pm
     
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  11. Pure River Slut

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    It’s like this. We have a worldwide web, someone lands here with the phone number of a bloke in India and gets a job so
    He texts it, facebooks it and their whole social network see it. He doesn’t say - some kids egged my car- he wasn’t to look cool and has his friends come. He tells them how he got here they do the same. Similarly a British person goes to Australia. Same shot different place. Until we shut down the phone system and internet there’s nowt we can do and it’ll happen. People trying to stop it are sending themselves daft and it’s ridiculous. It’s like anything- build a connected community with positive social values and good social and economic conditions and education and all will be well. Inequality, race and nationality being a smaller part to poverty v riches I think. Sadly the race often leads to the poverty.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    Is there anyone who doesn't believe Sunak, and his stop the boat policy, isn't a total shambles ...

    ... and does anyone believe He'll succeed with his promise.
     
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    Cruella Braverman perhaps? :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    At a time when the crisis worsens, with records broken again and again, Braverman has been invisible ...

    ... she's inept, out of touch and a thoroughly unpleasant human being.

    No wonder she's being kept away from the media while President Sunak flies around in his helicopter grinning and boasting.

    The boat people know they may drown, or be sent to a camp or Rwanda, but Sunak thinks putting up advertising boards, or giving them a criminal record, will be more of a deterrent.

    It's absolutely idiotic.
     
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  15. Pure River Slut

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    It’s bullshit. It’s about looking nasty to foreigners to get a boost with the elderly/older voters. Even that isn’t working so not sure why they stick at it.
     
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    Because they are the bully party. and know nothing other than threats. They do not know what to do next when their threats are ignored <laugh>
     
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    The next thing is threatening to fine parents for kids not going to school when the data says most are associated with complex safeguarding. mental illness and special educational needs. Much as we want kids to go, fining them isn’t the best thought through response. The ****servative Party
     
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  18. Gordon Armstrong

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    Thatcher wouldn't have let the illegal immigrants cross from Europe :emoticon-0145-shake


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    Who wants one of these :angel:
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  20. The Exile II

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    Tbf both sides have every right to be.

    Once we stopped insisting on new arrivals integrating into British society and allowing people in for what they could take rather than what they could give, we were always going to end up here, with one side furious we were going to pull up the drawbridge and the other furious that we weren't.
     
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