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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    Well now you mention it, not that convenient <laugh>
     
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  2. samwise_new

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    one year, you get one year to prove your party can 'do the job' lie or mislead and you are out and your party gets disbanded and you have to find a proper job.

    online votes (carefully regulated of course) for any number of parties (who have proven in some way that they can be trusted as a government) obviously 'harry the smack-head and his delivery boys' are a no go and drop all these bonus' they all get...basically if you can not do the job you are out of politics if you do well you can stay in that line of work and improve your policies, because right now any party can lie and cheat their way to office or shadow and gain a lot of money and job opportunities for friends and family knowing if it goes tits up they can still sit as shadow and get damn well paid and all the same benefits until the next election.

    if there was a threat to that 'cushty' lifestyle then maybe, just maybe they will stop all the BS and do the job they get paid/elected to do...just like the rest of us have to!!
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    This doesn't sound great news ...

    The impact of Brexit on the UK economy will be worse in the long run compared to the coronavirus pandemic, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility has said.

    Richard Hughes said leaving the EU would reduce the UK's potential GDP by about 4% in the long term.

    He said forecasts showed the pandemic would reduce GDP "by a further 2%".

    "In the long term it is the case that Brexit has a bigger impact than the pandemic", he told the BBC.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020
     
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  4. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Taking back control of our poverty
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    And while we're at it let's tackle climate change by trading more with Australia instead of a country 30 miles away ...

    ... that'll help no end.

    "Boris Johnson has said post-Brexit trade deals provide a "massive opportunity" for UK farmers - rejecting a claim that a tariff-free agreement with Australia would see farmers "lose their livelihoods". The government hopes a deal with Australia will be the first major post-Brexit free trade agreement with a country that the UK did not have an existing trade deal with as an EU member state."
     
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  6. Pure River Slut

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    It’s nuts mate. One of the things I like about less trade with Europe is more localism. Bringing food from the local producer not Estonia or wherever is the right thing for the local economy and the environment and the roads. But to focus on China, USA and Australia is nuts. It’s better Europe. I’ve said all along Brexit isn’t the issue, but the Johnson’s Bellend Brexit is an issue. It’s driven by retention of wealth and power by the wealthy and xenophobia not common sense and cooperation. Ruled by idiots.
     
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  7. Pure River Slut

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  8. Smug in Boots

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    People I know always refute the suggestion that they voted out through xenophobia, fair enough.

    But every situation is met by calls, from them, to send in the navy and 'blast them out of the water' whether it's migrants or the French. Either that or refuse foreign workers visas to drive or process meat. I know it's not really serious, hope not, but it contradicts their stance a little.

    The licensed trade is desperately short of bar staff despite people going out less ...

    ... my local is now closed on Mondays and Tuesdays because of it.
     
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  9. The Norton Cat

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    This is an interesting read about why people voted to leave. Immigration seems to have been one of the major factors from what I can see.

    https://www.essex.ac.uk/research/showcase/why-britain-really-voted-to-leave-the-european-union
     
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  10. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    The people I know say the same and then can’t explain why and always talk about migrants and why should foreigners have control of our policies. Just watch the Tory news output closely and every time a slip is made or they are under pressure a story comes out about us against the French. It’s pathetic tbh, fuelling that sentiment for a few points on the opinion polls. I’ve never liked the Tories per se, I care about people, those in need- they don’t - but could understand and respect some things, but this lot I have zero respect for. They’re incompetent and they’re playing us for fools.
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

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    The problem with an exclusionist policy is that you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Semi-skilled foreign workers leave and aren't replaced. But the unskilled illegal migrants still find a way here so you end up with all chaff and no wheat.
     
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  12. Pure River Slut

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    The problem with blaming the outsider is that it stops you solving the issue of the insider. Externalising blame is a reason and an excuse not to change for the better and take difficult steps but creating fear of those you don’t know is an easy strategy as it preys on human emotions. The answer to that for me is more mixing with the unknown become the known, the answer for many is to get rid of the unknown, to remove the threat. Interestingly in society there is more mixing with other cultures in working class communities, with some geographical exceptions. it’s the influencers and decision makers in gated communities who mix less, hence this who have a financial choice to exclude drive this policy.
     
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  13. The Norton Cat

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    Several thousand years of these islands accepting people from beyond the sea, who came and drove change and initiative and made our society better, ended because Nigel F didn't like that he couldn't pronounce his plumbers name.
     
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  14. The Norton Cat

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    I agree wholeheartedly with all of this with the exception of the bit in bold. This and the last two sentences of your previous post are completely contrary to what I've experienced in life.
     
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  15. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    Blimey. Brexit revisited. Most people I know who voted for it did so simply because they didn't like the EU's direction of travel. Lumbering along to a federal system no-one voted for and on which they were not asked for their opinion. As for the economic impact, I trust "official" figures about as far as I can throw them (usually the waste paper bin). The leave vote was going to cost us 4% of GDP and 800,000 jobs after all, but GDP & the employment rate both went up in the event. What will be interesting to see is how long the EU survives with only a handful of net contributors funding the whole thing. Expand into the Balkans and the cash requirement will grow, particularly without our regular contribution, and so will the resentment of people in Germany, The Netherlands, etc about paying for it. The really daft thing about the EU is that we should all like it. Common values, common standards and common occupation of the continent - what's not to like? And yet they've managed to **** all that up as efficiently as any national government...
     
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  16. Pure River Slut

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    I’ll try and dig it out (which might be hard to find) but it’s based on a research paper from a professor at Huddersfield University and based on living spaces and migration. I know it’s very different in some part of the North East, which is why there are geographical exceptions, but many densely populated urban areas with low cost housing have a mix of people and the wealthier suburbs are where it changes.
     
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  17. Pure River Slut

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    I’d argue that they’re less **** than our current national government. To use a Sunderland analogy it’s like sacking Moyes and appointing Simon Grayson.
     
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  18. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    Not IMHO. It's more like Mike Ashley sacking Bruce and deciding to manage the club himself. The centralist control the EU want to exercise from Brussels is ridiculous. Who put them in charge anyway? They're supposed to set the standards the member states go by, not tell the member states what they can and cannot do all the time.
     
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  19. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    I see Southern Ireland are complaining at the moment, just had £800 + million given to them but point out they’ve paid in over £6 billion, what’s not to like about the EU.
     
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  20. Pure River Slut

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    This is the problem now. They’ve shied away from their control but given control to a bunch of immoral half wits. Not taken back control, surrendered control to people who don’t respect even our own democratic systems.
     
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