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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    So he, and the Tories who backed his claims, were all lying.

    That's all I was asking, thanks.
     
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  2. DH4

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    Ah but you see Bonko didn't say WHICH Christmas did he ? <laugh>
     
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  3. The Exile II

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    You're welcome.

    I mean, we should never have joined in the first place, because our deal with Germany was done in 1945. They did well though.

    We completed international relations with France in 1815.

    Spain in 1808.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

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    The ancient history is all fine and interesting, I'm a historian so interested in European affairs.

    I just wanted to establish that Boris Johnson had either lied or was wrong and that the Government has failed to 'get Brexit done' before Christmas ...

    ... and will probably fail to get it done this Christmas.

    In the meantime no blame lies with parties who can neither advance or prevent the Government making 'getting Brexit done' as was promised.
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    Nothing he ever said is true ...

    ... whether it's to Pariament, the public, to his women or even his children.

    He turns his back quicker than a tramp in a thunderstorm.
     
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  6. The Exile II

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    You do know he's not PM any more, yes?

    Rent free.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    Don't be ridiculous.

    Of course he's still in everyone's minds just as Corbyn is in yours.

    He cost the country billions, as did Truss, and the efect will last for years, if not decades.

    Are we all expected just to grin, shrug and 'move on'.
     
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  8. The Exile II

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    You like history but don't seem to remember June 2016 to December 2019. Weird.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    I remember it all.

    But I'm specifically referring to Boris Johnson, Brexit and the lies he told.

    While you're going back centuries trying to ignore it all.

    Ironically you've proved my point, that people will defend the man to the death, so that'll do me.

    Take it easy.
     
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  10. The Exile II

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    The only time I think about Corbyn is when someone else brings him up. And as my deal was done with him in 2019 I can just regurgitate my thoughts from then. It requires no thought at all barely an inconvenience....
     
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  11. The Exile II

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    Oh was that your point? I was talking about Brexit before you started obsessing over the floppy haired Boogeyman, so you've not really proved anything other than your desperation to bend any political topic round to Boris Johnson.

    Have a fun evening, but remember - he's round every corner.
     
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    Brexit-1038x778.jpg
     
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  13. FellTop

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    Rishi Sunak appears to have unlocked the NI protocol, no small feat at all. But it may result in another conservative revolt from MPs. It appears to me that political party is so utterly divided and I can remember no other time like it. Far too many factions with agendas that I doubt represent their constituents.

    He is the man in the hotseat, and therefore in the cross hairs. However, in my opinion, it is a completely un-leadable party. They have torn themselves apart from the inside. I predict their worst ever election result is coming, yet they continue destroying their own party. It is mind boggling to me. It is like Turkeys voting for Christmas, some of these backbench agitators will lose their job and they dont have the profile Johnson has where he will make far more money away from politics. Strange bunch indeed.
     
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    And therein lies the problem with populism. Tell the public what they want to hear at all costs, regardless of whether you can actually "deliver" what you promised. <laugh>
     
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    Should have been the remain campaign logo for me. Always was strength v weakness when it came to negotiating a deal after brexit. Anybody who has ever negotiated anything would have known that. I am negotiating a meagre by comparison £1.5m deal at the minute, I am the buyer and trying to get 2 organisations to agree to their end. Bloody difficult as they have different objectives. Imagine doing it with 20+ on the other side of the table. Not something I could do and win, that is for sure.
     
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    Bonko paying £4m for manor house with moat.
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

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    Never thought I'd see him stoop so low he'd house share with a NE cop killer
    <doh>
     
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  18. Flash Gordon

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    This is a fantastic post, thanks for taking the time to give such a reply.

    You mention your "jumbled" thoughts on the matter, but there's a lot of contrasting issues with universities and I don't think there's a simple fix.

    Like you, I was the first in my family to have a university education, which I don't think would have been possible if the costs were the current amount, so that is often my first worry.

    You make an excellent point about some universities wanting to deliver a much better standard. We should be encouraging the highest standards and I've no problem really with higher fees being charged to enable that - though I'd suggest it needs some sort of rules to ensure quality of content rather than elitism.

    It's also worth expanding further the idea that some degrees cost more than others. There's also an argument that some degrees are more valuable to society than others (nursing being an obvious one) and perhaps there should be a flexibility of bursaries and reductions to create a labour market that meets the needs of society.

    So in summary, perhaps there needs to be both an increase in fees and targeted reductions.
     
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  19. FellTop

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    It is his forever home mate. Dont be mean.

    In all honesty he will have earned enough as an author to pay for that I suspect. His Shakespeare book, if he ever finishes it, will be a best seller. Annoyingly he is quite good at that sort of stuff.
     
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  20. DH4

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    Presumably to keep those pesky CSA people at bay :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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