Dont let Redknapp's smoke screen work...

[Peter Damage]

... we should revert back to the story of our season so far. How much longer do we give him...

He has 5 wins in 33 premier league games with us!!!!! But he wants the press talking about other things. Adding more fuel to it today with the intention from distracting from the real story of whether or not he should be sacked!!

There were 250+ press at our game on Sunday (highest ever), a big reason for this was prospect of Redcrapps impending doom.

Pre the Liverpool game Rangers message boards were largely made up of threads debating alternative managers so I think we should also have a thread running about that because this issue has not gone away. If we lose at Villa Redknapps position is surely untenable.

Personally I would like to throw Kenny Jackets name in the ring along with the already mentioned Pulis and Sherwood. He has quietly and successfully gone about his business in League One and Championship. Unlike our current manager he has exceeded expectations where ever he has been and has strong ties to the club and respects the fans.

Let’s keep he who shall not be named out of this thread- would welcome discussion and focus on tjhe real story that matters to this club. Who agrees Redknapp deserves sack if we lose to Villa? Or would you wait till Chelsea and City games? Whether Jackett is a good shout or who you would go with?

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

I would like us to build on Sundays performance.
I was not expecting that sort of performance or level of commitment and for me he has bought a bit of time.
It must be a real dilemma for TF.

 

[rbsranger]

smokescreens are what Redknapp does best...
it is how he got out of his legal issue
It is how everyone here still blames Hughes (and only Hughes) for relegating us without a mention of the fact that he had 25 games that season to keep us up and he did not improve us one iota. Remember, both Palace and Sunderland stayed up (comfortably) last season from far worse positions with worse players
I was never in favour of his appointment in the first place and I would have been happy if he had left at the end of the relegation season and again at the end of last season. Problem is that our star struck chairman has never heard of any managers that might actually do a rebuilding job and recreate a football culture that we used to have at the Rangers
Just remember that it was Redknapp (not Hughes) that had the gall to pick Bosingwa (and others) in the final home game of the (already relegated) season against Newcastle when there was no sane reason not to pick Harriman or any of the other young kids that day
For all the optimism from Sunday's game, we are basically advocating keeping someone on for finally actually doing their job (whilst ignoring the fact that they have been pretty poor at doing their job for the past few years). That is the ultimate smokescreen here... we are excited (by a loss) after the players finally came out and did what they are paid to do (and not well enough to actually get a result).
I am of course filled with dread as to which manager Fernandes falls in love with next

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

smokescreens are what Redknapp does best...
it is how he got out of his legal issue
It is how everyone here still blames Hughes (and only Hughes) for relegating us without a mention of the fact that he had 25 games that season to keep us up and he did not improve us one iota. Remember, both Palace and Sunderland stayed up (comfortably) last season from far worse positions with worse players
I was never in favour of his appointment in the first place and I would have been happy if he had left at the end of the relegation season and again at the end of last season. Problem is that our star struck chairman has never heard of any managers that might actually do a rebuilding job and recreate a football culture that we used to have at the Rangers
Just remember that it was Redknapp (not Hughes) that had the gall to pick Bosingwa (and others) in the final home game of the (already relegated) season against Newcastle when there was no sane reason not to pick Harriman or any of the other young kids that day
For all the optimism from Sunday's game, we are basically advocating keeping someone on for finally actually doing their job (whilst ignoring the fact that they have been pretty poor at doing their job for the past few years). That is the ultimate smokescreen here... we are excited (by a loss) after the players finally came out and did what they are paid to do (and not well enough to actually get a result).
I am of course filled with dread as to which manager Fernandes falls in love with next

To be fair he got us up which was what was asked of him.

 

[Stroller]

He should have gone after the West Ham debacle.

As I said elsewhere, a good performance and no points was the worst possible outcome on Sunday, as it could buy him time.

Never mind the Villa game, get rid now.

 

[Peter Damage]

To be fair he got us up which was what was asked of him.

Yes he did get us up but only just. Automatic promotion was his target. We got into play offs which was bare minimum considering money spent and quality retained. Lottery of the play-offs and it was finally our time to get some luck. We got away with it against Wigan (McClean’s miss) and Derby (smash and grab that 9 times out of 10 you would instead lose)

He was complaining this week about having 12 outfield players at start of this year?! That was his fault for not spending money properly in the 3 windows before. Focusing on loans last year and then probably even more irresponsibly in the Jan 2013 window spending no money on players that we would use if the likely thing happened and we got relegated wouldn’t stay.

The difficulties in putting together a squad this year are the fault of Harry’s and his alone. But of course he ducks that responsibility.

No we are in this mess and the propesct of being cut off from the rest is worrytingly possible already I think we should remember that Redknapp is under more pressure against Villa than he was against Villa.

Really do like the idea of Kenny Jackett coming in to replace him.

 

[rbsranger]

The 12 outfield players is also a smokescreen
On the link on the official site, there were 17 outfield players taken to Ireland plus 3 goalkeepers

 

[4StringR]

For me Jackett is an absolute non starter. Jackett would be a "right sort", history with Rangers, type appointment that would be good for the sole of the club.

However we have unfortunately gone beyond appointing managers from the lower leagues with something to prove higher up, because financially, despite what TF and co say about the long game and the investments, they needed Premier League football last season when they didn't have it and they need to retain Premier League football for next season. We are currently a Premier League club with supposed Premier League players. If Harry has to go, then the players need to have someone come in to replace him who they know has been there and done it. A Pulis, a David Moyes. Someone who knows the league, has the contacts, and is still in the ascendency of their management career.

Roll out the Villa game and either Redemption or Damnation for the current management regime.

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Yes he did get us up but only just. Automatic promotion was his target. We got into play offs which was bare minimum considering money spent and quality retained. Lottery of the play-offs and it was finally our time to get some luck. We got away with it against Wigan (McClean’s miss) and Derby (smash and grab that 9 times out of 10 you would instead lose)

He was complaining this week about having 12 outfield players at start of this year?! That was his fault for not spending money properly in the 3 windows before. Focusing on loans last year and then probably even more irresponsibly in the Jan 2013 window spending no money on players that we would use if the likely thing happened and we got relegated wouldn’t stay.

The difficulties in putting together a squad this year are the fault of Harry’s and his alone. But of course he ducks that responsibility.

No we are in this mess and the propesct of being cut off from the rest is worrytingly possible already I think we should remember that Redknapp is under more pressure against Villa than he was against Villa.

Really do like the idea of Kenny Jackett coming in to replace him.

So do I Peter but is that likely?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

To be fair he got us up which was what was asked of him.

Sorry, an outsider still lingering around..... my two penneth is that, with that squad last season, you shouldve been promoted in the same way Newcastle were after relegation ie unbeaten at home with 100+ points. The difference was they had a manager who preferred to do his talking via the pitch than the media.

I know money isnt everything but what was the difference between Burnley's and your wage bill?

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Sorry, an outsider still lingering around..... my two penneth is that, with that squad last season, you shouldve been promoted in the same way Newcastle were after relegation ie unbeaten at home with 100+ points. The difference was they had a manager who preferred to do his talking via the pitch than the media.

I know money isnt everything but what was the difference between Burnley's and your wage bill?

Possibly the more pertinent question is how many relegated teams go back up at the first time of asking?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Possibly the more pertinent question is how many relegated teams go back up at the first time of asking?

How many have the same budget that Harry was afforded? Most have a fire-sale of talent, whereas he spent ****loads on wages.

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

How many have the same budget that Harry was afforded? Most have a fire-sale of talent, whereas he spent ****loads on wages.

He got rid of about 15 high earners mate.
I am not saying he is perfect by any means but he did a good job in that respect and our net wages must have been significantly down but the perception still remained of big spending QPR.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

He got rid of about 15 high earners mate.
I am not saying he is perfect by any means but he did a good job in that respect and our net wages must have been significantly down but the perception still remained of big spending QPR.

Well you'd know better than me but the point I was making was - and I'm guessing here - I wouldnt be surprised if it was the highest wage spend in the history of that division and to scrape it in the last minute of the play-offs wasnt really good enough.

And that perception was there for a reason - even if your wage bill did significantly drop QPR still remained big-spending!

 

[Telford Ranger]

Sorry, an outsider still lingering around..... my two penneth is that, with that squad last season, you shouldve been promoted in the same way Newcastle were after relegation ie unbeaten at home with 100+ points. The difference was they had a manager who preferred to do his talking via the pitch than the media.

I know money isnt everything but what was the difference between Burnley's and your wage bill?

Would you like a job on the board? Really. Please we need you.

The difference since 2011 is a chairman who does his talking via the media rather than the pitch.

Rio sold himself to Teflon Tone on his enthusiasm. That's worked out well.

When our idiot accountant/businessman/chairman, whatever he is, finally realises that nothing enthuses the modern footballer and his agent more than a huge pay cheque then we (and his Global Branding excercise) may get somewhere.

We are rotten and it starts at the top.

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Well you'd know better than me but the point I was making was - and I'm guessing here - I wouldnt be surprised if it was the highest wage spend in the history of that division and to scrape it in the last minute of the play-offs wasnt really good enough.

And that perception was there for a reason - even if your wage bill did significantly drop QPR still remained big-spending!

It worked for me mate. There haven't been many highs of supporting QPR for the last forty years but that was definitely one of them!

 

[Telford Ranger]

Well you'd know better than me but the point I was making was - and I'm guessing here - I wouldnt be surprised if it was the highest wage spend in the history of that division and to scrape it in the last minute of the play-offs wasnt really good enough.

And that perception was there for a reason - even if your wage bill did significantly drop QPR still remained big-spending!

And you're quite right here too. Hang around for the FFP angst. We'll "get away" with it too. FFP's a good idea but has to be equal and equitable across the various leagues to which it applies. And take account of historical speculation too. It can never do this and will fail badly when it hits a court.

Lost in it all will be the fact we should never be in this position at all. Teflon Tone took us on at a generational high and has spent, spent, spent. Said it on here a year and more ago and I'll say it again. We've become a laughing stock, a byword for reckless spending way beyond your means.

Redknapp's irrelevant to all of it. Hughes too. They never signed the cheques. If it weren't them it'd be a n other trousering the cash.

Warnock's very relevant. His ridiculously premature dismissal signalled the start of this madness and told us where we were going with the idiot Fernandes and his dreams of Global Branding.

4 years down the line. £200 million total debt added. No new training ground. No new stadium.

Living The Dream.

Us.

 

[Peter Damage]

For me Jackett is an absolute non starter. Jackett would be a "right sort", history with Rangers, type appointment that would be good for the sole of the club.
However we have unfortunately gone beyond appointing managers from the lower leagues with something to prove higher up, because financially, despite what TF and co say about the long game and the investments, they needed Premier League football last season when they didn't have it and they need to retain Premier League football for next season. We are currently a Premier League club with supposed Premier League players. If Harry has to go, then the players need to have someone come in to replace him who they know has been there and done it. A Pulis, a David Moyes. Someone who knows the league, has the contacts, and is still in the ascendency of their management career.
Roll out the Villa game and either Redemption or Damnation for the current management regime.

So do I Peter but is that likely?

Sadly I think Sherwood is being lined up. He has no transfer market experience and will fall out with certain players.

As for Pulis he would probably keep us up but his style of play doesn’t appeal long term.

So I would rule Sherwood out and not be that happy with Pulis but accept it. Moyes would be good but I reckon he was hoping for Newcastle job.

Jackett to me isn’t a manager with something to prove. Instead he’s more a manager capable of making the step up. He’s got bags more credibility and ability than Sherwood has.

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Sadly I think Sherwood is being lined up. He has no transfer market experience and will fall out with certain players.

As for Pulis he would probably keep us up but his style of play doesn’t appeal long term.

So I would rule Sherwood out and not be that happy with Pulis but accept it. Moyes would be good but I reckon he was hoping for Newcastle job.

Jackett to me isn’t a manager with something to prove. Instead he’s more a manager capable of making the step up. He’s got bags more credibility and ability than Sherwood has.

For what its worth I agree.

 

[DT Footspa]

He got rid of about 15 high earners mate.
I am not saying he is perfect by any means but he did a good job in that respect and our net wages must have been significantly down but the perception still remained of big spending QPR.

Yep Harold uses that quote a lot about how he shifted out a load of players but he also said that he doesn't know how much they even earn because the people upstairs look after all of that … he doesn't get involved

He is a senile old cnut .. a perfect example of a wise old bastard who pretends he knows nothing yet manipulates everyone around him

I agree with the resources we had he should of got us up automatically … he didn't and his ****ing response was … I was ready to play golf

We got lucky and i will always state that on here before everyone thinks he did a great job … IMO he didn't but he did get us playing better football i will always give him that … we ended up miles behind the Foxes and Burnley and what did we do … as i said and was laughed at on here … we brought a new team and reverted back to a big wage bill again. Posters on here miss all the facts

It's a bloody disgrace if you timeline the entire Harold operation