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"Does UIR still love LVG even after the Champions League An Shambles last night?"

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by luvgonzo, Dec 9, 2015.

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  1. Stan

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    Yup.
     
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  2. PINKIE

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    Disagree, Hernandez was the type of striker who fed on scraps. A true goal poacher who knew where to be in the box to make the most of any opportunities. He was the opposite of the striker who needed great players around him putting it on a plate for him.
     
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  3. UnitedinRed

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    You lack logic pal. Try again. Try much harder.

    F for effort.
     
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  4. Treble

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    So no argument again. Just some generic nonsense as a reply as per.

    Pick apart what I posted. I dare ya <ok>
     
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  5. UnitedinRed

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    OK I guess.

    Van Persie - scored as many as under Moyes. 1 season under Fergie clouding judgement. We can go over his career if you like but his last 2 season were par. Injuries hamper his quality.

    Hernandez - **** for many years. Was given chances by van Gaal and was horrendous. Now scoring in Germany. Doesn't change a single thing about how bad he was for us.

    Rooney - are you really blaming van Gaal for his form? Really? Like really really? Wow.

    Martial scored 2 in his last 3. So ERM.... When did he stop? Unless he's expected to score every single game?

    Pretty easy tbh Treble. Hernandez is scoring bit how about van Persie? How is he doing in Turkey, the equivalent of League One? Not great. 6 in 23....
     
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  6. Treble

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    Van Persie... so your barometer for measuring Van Gaal is now Moyes? Priceless.

    Hernandez was given very few starts and regardless of what you think, gets himself into brilliant positions behind defences to score. If you watch his 19 goals this season you'll see precisely that. Sadly for him, van gaal likes his whole starting 11to play in front of the oppo's defence <laugh>

    Rooney - yes really really! Really really, really really! Last season LVG played him in midfield the fckin idiot. This season Van Gaal has sunk the final nail into Rooney's career at the highest level. No service and the one thing Rooney took advantage of was playing in that gap between the oppo's back 4 and their midfield. The turjid cumbersome football has meant that no longer exists for Rooney so he's fcked.

    How many has Martial scored this season you astro-clone. 3 games lol what a stupid response.

    I cant believe you're still defending Van Gaal. Unbelievable. Does he have pictures of you in compromising positiobs or something?
     
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  7. PleaseNotPoll

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    Aren't Utd on their worst run of form since the 60s, despite spending hundreds of millions over the past couple of seasons?
    If that's not van Gaal's fault, then whose is it?
    That's even if you choose to ignore the appalling football, even when he had his side winning fairly consistently.
     
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  8. Treble

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    He's a fcking spoofer mate. Trouble is, UIR nailed his colours so hard to that mast that he's in the brutally unfortunate position of looking like a prize plum no matter which way he turns. That's the fate of all fanboys. Lesson learned one hopes.
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

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    Couldn't he just put his hands up and say that van Gaal hasn't done nearly as well as he expected him to?
    I thought he was a good appointment. Lots of experience, won trophies in multiple countries, big name.
    Looked a good choice, on paper.

    I've no idea how anyone can claim that he's done well though, given the situation he took over and the money he's spent.
    Poor football, no trophies, a horrible run of form and failure to progress in the Champions League.
    Moyes had the difficulty of taking over from Ferguson and a squad that had been allowed to go past it's best.
    Van Gaal was allowed to spend to address this in a way that his predecessor wasn't, so what's his excuse?

    Sure, give him time if you think he can turn it around. Don't deny that he's failed to do well so far, though. That's just silly.
     
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  10. Treble

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    We all thought the same when he was appointed tbh. When Moyes was sacked and LVG name was mentioned I was hoping it was him bcos of the foundations he helped to lay at previous clubs.

    But as you start to see what's happening on the pitch and the way he went about the transfer window,it became apparent he was making mistakes and the team werent progressing. At that point you call a spade a spade, not put your head in the sand and continue to cling on to some romantic fairytale, so much so you get pointed at and ridiculed.

    Tbh I can forgive a manager anything, but not cowardice. Above all, Van Gaal wreaks of fear. And he's instilled that in our football and our players. C*nt.
     
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  11. UnitedinRed

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    Van Persies form continued into the van Gaals time. If van Gaal couldn't get him scoring, nobody could after SAF.

    Hernandez plays in Germany where he scorers. He wasn't scoring for United. Its that simple treble. Take you head out of your arse. He was not and is not the answer. Rather have Martial every time. Lets not ignore the fact he was **** under Fergie as well towards the end either. Pattern? Simply not good enough.

    Rooney... Just LOL. Its all on him. Unless itbwas Fergies fault when he went 9 months without scoring and then complained we were ****? Was it? I'm guessing no....

    Martial has scored on 3 games. And? He 18. Let's not forget how you wrote him off and yes, deny all you like. You had a meltdown when he was signed and you were very unhappy from the moment he played. What was your post?

    "Yeh, I'm not going to say anything about Martial...."

    Followed up by calling him ****e in the same thread. PSV away thread. Go have a gander by all means, perhaps you can edit it?

    Cant believe you blame van Gaal 100%. Laughable. You clearly don't understand and I am done with you now.
     
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  12. PleaseNotPoll

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    What percentage do you attribute to him, then? Who else is to blame?
     
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  13. UnitedinRed

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    He has failed in many ways. He's also had some successes and made some valuable changes.

    and yes this is our worst run. As O said on pur board, he will go Tuesday, regardless of result. To many gutless pricks in our squad, most were here before he cane and his biggest failing was not shifting all the dead wood. Others won't agree because they honestly believe the manager is 100% responsible for everything. My guess is they are terrible employees wherever they work, with such a poor attitude.

    We need leaders as much as attackers. He tried to address the leaders with Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger but with both not playing, its evident on the pitch.

    Anyway, on 12-18 months we will be driving the next man out because the reality is, unless they emulate fergie, no United fan will accept them.
     
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  14. UnitedinRed

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    Equal share. The players have a responsibikity and a contractual obligation to give their best. Not all are.

    i can't believe I'm one of the few people who actually knows that football is a team game. Not a one man band. Madness really but what can I do?

    Things like being incapable of passing or controlling a ball are 100% on the players though.
     
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    He's been there for two summers, though.
    If the players aren't good enough or don't have the right attitude, then he should've got rid of them.
    That's assuming that they aren't one of the ones that he signed, like Depay.

    You can blame individuals for not doing it on the pitch, but your squad should be good enough to replace them if they're not playing well.
    The style of play seems to be stifling a lot of the better players and some of the team selections are mystifying.
    Young at right-back is just bizarre, for a start.

    Your depth looks unbelievably short, too.
    How many senior player do you have that are of Premier League standard? 18, maybe?
    How has that situation been allowed to develop at a club of your stature and finances?
    He's had the money, but has it been spent wisely?
     
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    So now you do what the mods on our board have slated you for. Making stuff up about what other posters have said. This is what you always do when you cant provide an answer.

    Stick to the point fella. RVP, Hernandez, Rooney AND Martial have stopped scoring under Van Gaal's turjid thick pea soup football. You can make all the insane excuses you want but you cant hide the facts. ALL of them. Martial has played more than 3 games you dimwit. What's a good return? 1 in 2? The fact he's not achieving that is down to the 5hite football LVG has us playing.

    Stop the misdirection and explain why we have a team of strikers who arent scoring. And secondly why, if as you say the fault lies with our strikers, he didnt buy a 25-30 goal a season proven striker.

    Whichever way you look at it, Van Gaal is a spoofer. He's failed. Stop making a fool of yourself ffs. Wake up and smell those Eccles cakes <ok>
     
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  17. Treble

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    Tbh mate the squad is very good. I believe under a better manager they'd be performing much better. The fact is you're right. He is stifling our players.

    We have the highest passes to shots in the league. 72 passes before we take a shot on goal. And we've had something like 7 shots on goal in 2 months. It ALL comes from our football. Possession WITHOUT purpose. Pass it sideways and back rather than take on players, beat your man, play incisive link up play to work a through ball behind the defence. This is ALL alien to Van Gaal.

    It's coward football. If yourmanager doesnt show confidence in you to move forward with the ball, how the fck are you going to hold that belief as a player <doh>

    Anyone with half a brain knows that the style of football you see from a team is dictated by the manager. It's obvious as fcking daylight that this endless, slow passing game is what Van Gaal is dictating.

    You want to hear just how desperate UIR became about a month ago. He claimed <laugh> that Van Gaal was telling the players to go out and play free flowing one touch attacking football BUT they ALL chose to ignore him and play slowly and keep passing for no reason. This is the depth of delusion he has stooped to. <laugh>
     
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    I would just simply say that you can always tell when players have no faith in what they're being asked to do out on the pitch.

    That looks very much the case with Utd's players right now.
     
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    Players like Martial and Depay are quality players. They are direct, quick, and skillful. Unfortunately, for them and Utd, they're being strangled by the current system LVG employs.

    They should both be a big part of Utd's future, but the way things are going, I wouldn't blame them if they were already looking for the exit!
     
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    I dont think they will tbh. The player I worry about leaving the most is Herrera. The guy is quality. Our most creative midfielder since Scholes. But that isnt allowed under Van Gaal.

    He could go on to be a brilliant midfielder but the way he's been treated by the dutch quiff is nothing short of criminal. I fear he'll be off in the summer. I wouldnt blame him either. Abd I guarantee if he does, ppl will be waxing lyrical about him in a season or two.
     
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