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"Does UIR still love LVG even after the Champions League An Shambles last night?"

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by luvgonzo, Dec 9, 2015.

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  1. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

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  2. PleaseNotPoll

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  3. There is much to be said for tiffin and a handjob.
     
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  4. UnitedinRed

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    Hernandez goals don't really mean anything now.

    He couldn't score in a brothel while at United and didn't want to play second fiddle. So dropped down a level for regular football. Fair play to him.

    Had he been scoring like that for us, then he would be at United still.
     
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  5. NSIS

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    You mean had he been given the chance, but he never really was!..
     
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  6. UnitedinRed

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    He had a few. He's was comfortably the worst player on the pitch in every one. By an absolute mile and Rooney was also playing...
     
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  7. NSIS

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    We must have seen some different games. He only ever was used as a sub, any player needs game time to be at his best. The guy has scored goals everywhere he's gone, even at Real Madrid.
    Utd don't have a striker worthy of the name, and then sell the only half decent one they do have. Very strange decision!..
     
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  8. Treble

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    By UIR's logic Martial should be sold off as well.

    Under LVG, Van Persie stopped scoring
    Under LVG, Hernandez stopped scoring
    Under LVG, Rooney stopped scoring
    Under LVG, Martial has stopped scoring

    I know this might be stating the bleedin obvious but I see a pattern developing. Perhaps... and I may just be spitballing here, but perhaps... the main problem doesn't lie with our strikers?
     
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    FWIW I don't think we should have sold both RVP and Hernandez. One maybe, but not both. Wilson loaned out as well was also nuts.
     
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  10. Stan

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    I understand why Hernandez and RVP were sold and also why Wilson was sent out on loan. I'll never understand why more strikers weren't brought in to replace them though. It's got to the point where Nick Powell is considered an option up front. For those of you who don't know who Nick Powell is, he's a midfielder who was released by his last loan club for having a bad attitude. That club are now top of the league!
     
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  11. PINKIE

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    RVP was still a top quality striker when you sold him and Hernandez was always a prolific goal scorer for Utd, don't know why he never got more of a run in the team. Martial is a decent striker, but he'll go backwards under LVG.
     
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  12. Stan

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    RVP was terrible last season. His legs had gone. Don't think he's doing very well in Turkey. Hernandez is a quality goal scorer but his link up play can be wasteful. I'd always have him in the squad but wouldn't guarantee him starts which is what he wanted, which is fair enough at his age. We needed him to have a bit more of an OGS attitude (although LVG couldn't guarantee him trophies!). The irony is had Hernandez hung around he would have got games as LVG forgot to sign another striker. I think Martial will be a superb player. LVG however is wasting him by sticking him on the wing and/or asking him to do the work of two forwards when Rooney is playing at 10. Whoever is United manager in January needs to sign a striker who will share the workload with Martial.
     
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  13. PINKIE

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    Far be it for me to defend RVP, but he is still better than anything you have got. He might have been slowing up a bit, but you never lose that killer instinct for goal. Same with Hernandez, he might have been a bit one dimensional, but when that one dimension is to stick the ball in the net, then in a team who can't seem to score for toffee, he's exactly what you need. Personally I don't think Martial will stick around long if LVG does.
     
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  14. Stan

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    The way we play under LVG we don't need strikers who are there just to put the ball in the net as we don't create enough clear cut chances! Gary Lineker would struggle to score in this team!
     
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    The thing with Hernandez though is that he was a typical poacher, getting on the end of scrappy loose balls, rebounds and balls pinging around in the 6 yard box, he didn't really need players around him to create too much, rather just launch it into the box and hope. Which ironically for a man utd team, is exactly what you need at the moment.

    I remember a few years ago when we Vieira, Gilberto and Edu go in the space of a couple of seasons and arguably ever since, we've struggled to replace our DM position properly. The same thing has happened at Utd, albeit with your strikers. You have an ageing Rooney and nobody really around him who can help.
     
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    The joint lowest scorers in the league have just put 2 past Utd in the first 25 mins.
     
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    Hernandez needed to work with another striker upfront who was willing to provide him with chances and he only offers finishing. Deeney does this for Igalho and that's the type of player Man U need. Maybe Martial would've been a good partner with him and he doesn't seem selfish.
     
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  18. SpursDisciple

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    No one scores if they are not being set up. That's Utd's problem, not the finishing. Hernandez would be isolated and pointless in this team.
     
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    Stoke are very hard to score against when Shawcross is playing and their new system is working very well.
    This'll probably be the end of van Gaal, though. He'll be lucky to last til the new year.
     
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  20. NSIS

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    A good striker, who knows his trade, also has to get himself in the right positions, make the right runs. It makes any playmaker's task far more difficult if he doesn't have the striker(s) doing their job.

    It works both ways, if Utd don't have a striker smart enough to do the job properly, which they currently don't, then of course they're going to struggle,
     
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