How do you know what the majority of people want, if it was that clear cut the Tories would do it as they are in desperate need to do something to increase their popularity
have you noticed the response ... well lack of it ..in PMQ's when Starmer gets it thrown at him when he brings up immigration ... face looks like a slapped baboons bum!
I liked 1 4’s comment because your explanation doesn’t answer my question, your comment was how the system works in general but didn’t answer specifically why prices have remained so high this time.
The clue is in the name PMQ’s, the last time I looked he wasn’t PM, he doesn’t have the opportunity to answer and he has no ability to set his ideas into policies. The point of the exercise is to try to hold the government to account. Actually being the opposition leader is the hardest job in politics. At least the PM can implement, and be judged on his policies.
Because the people of this country gave the liar Boris Johnson an 80 seat majority in 2019, including many thousands who'd always voted for other parties previously. And top of their reasons for doing so, was so that we in the UK, post Brexit, could and would control our own national borders, and we'd be the ones saying who can come. Let alone who will be allowed to stay. Now it's just a free for all and that's without the billions wasted on supporting it every day. But hey, never mind that we have a crippling housing shortage, soaring cost of living crisis, never mind that we can't provide our own people with core services like the expensive healthcare we fund ourselves, for ourselves, and that the roads become more congested by the day. Let the rest of the world in, the more the merrier.
Yes but I'm a conspiracy theorist...........but I like to hear all view points........show me the way!!..............Tell me why the prices increased so rapidly but are now dropping slowly and years before we get to see it at a level before the Russian conflict?.........
Surely all those are reasons to have legal and safe routes, and quick processing. We’ll then be able to control properly who comes in, whilst turning away people that aren’t eligible, even using invers figures around 50% of the people who come here by illegal methods are eligible to stay. Give them a legal route. edit At the moment even people with a legitimate claim for asylum here are forced to use illegal means to get here. If we changed that the illegal issue would half, if they were all processed quickly and the illegal ones turned away it would greatly decrease the numbers coming. At present even the ones that will eventually be denied asylum are kept here for years at our expense. Spending the money now to resolve this would pay for itself in no time.
But how are you going to stop the boats ? We have legal routes now and they certainly aren't as costly as the people paying the people smugglers 5,000 Euros
We don’t have legal routes. If the legal ones used legal routes, which as you point out are much cheaper. there would then be less using boats, if they were processed quickly we wouldn’t have the expense of looking after them and housing them for years. There wouldn’t then be any point coming here illegally, which in turn would put people off risking life & limb using boats, much the same affect the Tories tried to achieve by sending ALL(even legitimate asylum seekers) to Rwanda
There are safe and legal routes for people to come to the UK to work or study provided they meet the requirements of the relevant immigration rules under which they are applying As per GOV.UK The UK offers the following safe and legal routes: UK Resettlement Scheme The global resettlement scheme is open to vulnerable refugees around the world. Individuals coming through this scheme are assessed and referred by the UNHCR according to their criteria, which is based on people’s needs and vulnerabilities. People coming via this route only move to the UK once suitable accommodation is in place for them. Since its launch in 2021, the UK has taken refugees through this route from countries including Ethiopia, Iraq, Sudan, Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea, Somalia, South Sudan, and Yemen. Since the first arrivals under the new UK Resettlement scheme in March 2021, 2,023 refugees have been resettled in the UK via the UKRS, as of December 2022. Community Sponsorship Community Sponsorship enables civil society - friends and neighbours, charities and faith groups - to directly support refugees resettled in the UK as they start their new lives in safety. Since the scheme began in 2016, a total of 942 refugees have been resettled through Community Sponsorship, including 15 since the start of the ACRS, according to the latest published data (year ending December 2022). Mandate Scheme The Mandate Scheme, launched in 1995, is a global scheme that resettles refugees who have a close family member in the UK who is willing to accommodate them. The publication of the data relating to the Mandate Resettlement scheme commenced in 2008. Since then, as of December 2022, 441 individuals have been resettled through this scheme. Family Reunion Our refugee family reunion policy provides a safe and legal route for families to be reunited. This allows immediate family members (partner and children under 18, and over 18 in exceptional circumstances) of those granted protection in the UK to join them here, if they formed part of a family unit before the sponsor left their country to seek protection. There are separate provisions in the Immigration Rules to allow extended family members to sponsor children to come here where there are serious and compelling circumstances. In addition, refugees can sponsor adult dependent relatives living overseas to join them where, due to age, illness, or disability, that person requires long-term personal care that can only be provided by relatives in the UK. There is also discretion to grant leave outside of the Immigration Rules which caters for extended family members in exceptional circumstances. Our family reunion policy has reunited many refugees with their family members; more than 44,600 family reunion visas have been granted since 2015, with over half issued to children. Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme In January 2022, we announced the Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS), one of the most generous schemes in UK history. This response to the situation in Afghanistan will give up to 20,000 people at risk a new life in the UK, through a safe and legal route. The ACRS prioritises those who have assisted the UK efforts in Afghanistan and stood up for values such as democracy, women’s rights and freedom of speech, or rule of law (for example, judges, women’s rights activists, academics, and journalists); and vulnerable people, including women and girls at risk, and members of minority groups at risk. More than 7,600 eligible people have already been granted settled status through the Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS). Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy (ARAP) The Afghan Relocations and Assistance Policy (ARAP), launched on 1 April 2021, offers relocation to eligible Afghan citizens who worked for, or with, the UK Government locally in Afghanistan. The ARAP recognises the service of eligible Afghan citizens and the risks arising to them and their dependent family members due to their work. Since April 2021, we have relocated more than 12,000 Afghans to the UK under the ARAP scheme. As of December 2022, we have granted settlement to 6,235 individuals since April 2021, in addition to 1,400 former staff and families who were relocated between 2013 and March 2021 under the previous ex-gratia scheme for Afghan interpreters. Hong Kong British Nationals (Overseas) On 31 January 2021, the UK Government launched the Hong Kong BN(O) Immigration route in response to China’s passing of the National Security Law which significantly impacts the rights and freedoms of the people of Hong Kong. Over 153,700 BN(O) Hong Kong visas have been granted as of the end of December 2022, of which 105,200 have arrived in the UK. On 30 November 2022, the BN(O) route was expanded to enable adult children of BN(O) status holders who were born on or after 1 July 1997 to apply to the route independently of their parents. This will ensure this cohort who were not eligible for BN(O) status and who may not have been able to apply to the route previously, can now choose to make the UK their home. The BN(O) route is not a refugee resettlement route, but is a safe and legal route to the UK for those eligible. Ukraine schemes In response to Putin’s barbaric invasion of Ukraine, we launched one of the fastest visa schemes in UK history. The UK government has devised three bespoke visa routes for the people of Ukraine, working in close communication with the Ukrainian Government. 167,600 Ukrainians have now arrived safely in the UK through our Ukraine visa schemes. As of 21 March 2023, the UK Government has issued 223,000 visas under the Ukraine Schemes, of which 156,000 visas have been issued under the Homes for Ukraine Scheme. We have also extended permission to stay to 24,300 Ukrainians who were already present in the UK. Ukraine visa scheme data is updated weekly here: Ukraine Family Scheme, Ukraine Sponsorship Scheme (Homes for Ukraine) and Ukraine Extension Scheme visa data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
Look at the numbers and the number of years used to collate those numbers and tell me they are worth a jot, bearing in mind we’ve established around 300,000 legal asylum seekers came via illegal routes last year. Other than Ukraine, Hong Kong and Afghanistan ( that’s a topic for another day, the amount of Afghans that helped the war effort yet have been left stranded). We’ve no proper routes, if we did do you seriously think so many legitimate asylum seekers would pay thousands to come illegally by boats risking their lives, it speaks for itself
The vast majority of people coming by boats are not legitimate asylum seekers or refugees. They are economic migrants, and are mainly young men between 18 and 35.
I didn’t say you stated there was no need for legal routes, I said you’d avoided mentioning it, which you have.
Your word choice made your post unclear. You could have been implying I substantially disagree with need for legal routes, I do not.
I didn’t say you did edit But equally you haven’t said what you believe the answer is either. Just picking up on the percentages, which wasn’t the main thrust of my point. The numbers I’ve read weren’t 50%, they were higher, but for the sake of argument I’m willing to work with your figures, my point remains the same.
Spot on Angelic Those who come on boats are no more legitimate than fly. Anyway it's the useless government's distraction for the 600k and counting. But hey Starmer and the Lib/Lab pact will make a better fist of it. They can't be any more useless than the current government. Bet your life they will !
They are legitimate though 50% (we’ll use Clifton’s % for sake of argument) once assessed have a legitimate claim to be here as asylum seekers. As there isn’t sufficient legitimate routes they have to use illegal means to get here. Madness.
It is not my figure, its the home office. If you look at figures across routes, the figures vary. Those coming from Afghanistan legally are overwhelmingly granted asylum and refugee status. Those using illegal channel crossing are very very frequently not being given asylum. The two are not the same.
What are you on? You really need to slow down on your answers and at least somewhere near commenting on what was actually posted................ ....
