Off Topic Does Anyone Actually Know What They're Doing Any More ?

A drop in the ocean !!

 

When they are eventually processed most are accepted anyhow. I agree though, and the creation of proper legal routes. Then there’d be no need to come illegally and if processing is done in a timely manner we’d sort the legitimate ones from the illegitimate ones as you say.

 

Those crossing the channel in boats generally (90%+) claim asylum, and below 50% are accepted of those claiming asylum. Within the EU the figure is below 45%.

 

Even at those figures it’s still a high number, not insignificant

 

Most are not accepted, which was your point. The government are attempting to alter what asylum is - Individuals crossing safe Countries to claim asylum are not asylum seekers.

 

All the more reason to have legal routes and speedy processing

 

That the majority do not receive asylum could be a reason so many enter the UK illegally. The could there could be they are not acting in good faith, and never had good cause to be here.

 

My main point was there needs to be legal routes and speedy processing , the numbers you quote don’t alter that. 50% is not an insignificant number, plus it would allow us to deal with the illegal ones.

 

The western world capped the price they would pay for Russian oil [ sanction ].
In the commodity market are a very large number of speculators [ middlemen if you like ]. you could be one if you wished!
very roughly they buy x million barrels to be delivered over a period of time. They almost always gamble on the price going up. If before end of contract time they havent moved it on to a user [ their x million barrels is on paper! ] they need to sell for what they can get so may lose /break even/ small profit/ ?
the lag .. as you will have read,that is, thereis consternation that the wholesale price of petrol and diesel is pretty much the same .. so take Morrisons as an example they buy in bulk in advance [ all fuel done this way ] They decide the motorist will pay more for diesel as they buy x% more than petrol [ they basically know how much of each is sold every week ] so buy a future supply at Xpence per litre which could be over a period of a few month's.... maybe takes a lot longer to sell the petrol so makes up for the cash flow by adding pence to diesel!

 

imagine 606,000 people that need a place to live so lets say go to Warickshire and house them all there so what do we need ................
FIRST OFF IS THE LAND ! .... an area of about 150 square miles [ size of Bristol and its surrounds ] Humans need 1 important thing to survive ..water so .. need 150 sq miles for building and another 5 or 6 sq miles for a reservoir, oh of course then there is access roads to this site, just to get to it from existing so add another 14 sq miles .. ready to start building ... almost but need to find this 170 square mile site first...
Second of about 100 other things is houses now lets see ......

 

[QUOTE="Cliftonville, post: 16734841, member: 1019031 Individuals crossing safe Countries to claim asylum are not asylum seekers.[/QUOTE]
It’s much more nuanced than that, otherwise all Ukrainians fleeing through Poland should stay in Poland, that’s never going to work. If asylum seekers have family in other countries for instance and want to go there I don’t see a problem with that.

All politicians here quote how we are known for doing our fair share where asylum seekers are concerned, and how we are a compassionate nation, it’s always been that way, we’ve always allowed asylum seekers from far and wide.

if we only took in asylum seekers that hadn’t crossed through “safe” countries we’d never had taken anyone.

 

If they were processed quickly the successful ones could be integrated into society and then there’d be no need to house them for years whilst we process them.

 

You point was that most were accepted, that was wrong.

Tens of thousands of people are being moved illegally, criminal networks are facilitating the dangerous small-boats crossings. You didn't mention the disgusting people-smuggling trade at all.

 

This is a generalisation statement, this happens year in year out.........you haven't answered the question of why these prices went up so high, (fuel) you also haven't answered the question of why energy prices both gas and electric have gone through the roof....but the conflict between Russia & Ukraine hasn't changed.

 

If there were legal routes and quick processing the need for illegal crossings would diminish.

Of course the smugglers are vile, that goes without saying. At 50% that’s still a lot of legal immigrants that at present are being kept with illegals for years whilst their case is being assessed and are vilified, which you seem comfortable with, because it’s less than half, what a strange view.

you’ve chosen to avoid the need for legal routes, quick processing, that we’ve always accepted asylum seekers from far and wide, and it wouldn’t be practical to expect ALL asylum seekers to stay at the first “safe”” country isn’t practical and has never been the case. Instead you keep banging on about it not being the majority as it’s 50% which in the grand scheme of things is really just an academic point.

 

600,000 and counting every year.
Go round the houses as much as you like.
It will end in tears.

 

Using invers figures if there were safe and legal routes the numbers of illegals would be around 300,000. Plus if they were processed quickly we’d not have to find somewhere to house them for years on end.

 

According to British Law, it is a criminal offence for anyone to enter the UK illegally, so why are these people not held securely, or deported straight back to France who, let's be honest, have made little or no attempt to stop them crossing the English Channel to start with.

Yes there's 70 odd miles of coastline in northern France blah blah blah, but we have paid France hundreds of millions of pounds of British taxpayers money to police that area.

But what do we do ? They arrive illegally and instead of locking them up, we put them in warm 4 star hotels, provide them with 3 square meals a day, give them a mobile phone, free health and dental care, and £40 a week to spend. No matter who they are or what intentions they may have, they are free to wander the streets of our towns and cities, and some choose to work in places like car washes and kebab shops. The money they illegally earn (second strike, aside from being here illegally to start with !) sees no tax or NI paid on it and is probably send to Albania, Syria, Iraq.
And all this is also at our expense while British families have been cold and hungry and have been depending on free school meals, foodbanks and handouts from friends and family while food inflation hits 20% and energy bills run into thousands of pounds.

Labour encouraged open borders and they certainly won't have any appetite to change things when they get in.

Lefty immigration lawyers openly advertise their services in mainstream British newspapers and will continue to flourish and earn big money, that we, the taxpayer fund.

The Tories aren't Tories any more and haven't been for years, and the Home Office and Civil Service just seem to do as they want, not what they're paid for.

The Tories are more like social democrats these days, and until there are more people like Suella who actually want to act on what the majority of people in this country want, not what the government want, then nothing will change.

 

I see your mate Ashton has done a like which is interesting considering some of his comments!!!!!!

You are quite capable of working it out for yourself.... I think ... . its all in the media ... and you cant say you dont know where as your comments are based on the facts since Feb 2022 ...