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Do we want Norris back???!!!

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by Bigalreigned, May 17, 2012.

  1. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    And what if I say this club is heading down the sh****, I have never been so disillusioned as a town fan in my life. would that make things better for you?

    And for your information I'm really very estatic about how our club is being run at the moment it's brilliant, we are heading places fast!!

    I'm afraid there are people on here who need to grow up and get a life before I loose faith in humanity <steam>
     
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  2. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    This is my view, I couldn't care less what you think! We are all entitled to our opinions <ok>
     
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  3. itfcptc

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    Clearly you don't care what I think, hence why you get wound up by my opinions and seem to put in every comment ..... "the problem is some think our CEO and manager are doing a great job!!"...." the problem is some people on this site remain happy with how things are being done." Firstly neither of these comments are true and secondly even if they are, why are they a problem??
     
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  4. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    And in answer to the question obviously, no I would not want Norris back at the club!! I'm glad we can all now agree on this!!
     
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  5. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    As a fanbase we need to get ourselves organised and stand up to the ****ing useless idiot and make our feelings known. I haven't renewed and there are plenty more like me who have been season ticket holders for donkeys and have now decided that enough is enough! Evans and Clegg between them are running this once great football club into the ground. We are going to struggle next season to stay in this division let alone challenge for the play-offs. Lack of investment, short term loans, and a clueless manager who isn't able to train and inspire the youth that we already have. Our performances since before Easter have shown relegation form and without a sharp turnaround I expect no different next season. Meanwhile we now learn that Captain Calamity is going to be away with the Guam Olympics squad over the summer when he should be here doing the main job he's being paid to do. Mind you with Clegg out of the way we might be able to get some contracts signed! In a word we are ****ed and for those who can't see it then I pity you.
     
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  6. tractor bhoy

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    Thing is JWM most of that is your thoughts without any evidence whatsoever.
    We are going to struggle to stay in the league... A lack of investment and short term loans...
    shown relegation form and without a sharp turnaround I expect no different next season...

    Our form since the start of February was played 18 lost 4. Of those 18 games we won 8. if any club gets relegated with that kind of form I will be amazed. This is the same form that got some of our fans ****ing over the unrealistic prospect of reaching the play offs.
    We started of **** and never reached amazing heights but as the season went on I dont think we ever saw a realistic chance of relegation and cant see why we should suddenly plumet.
    Jewell has already identified where he wants to strengthen, which is the same positions as us fans. Keeper - Centre Back, Centre Midfield, Striker and a utility man. IF (a big if) we can add to that team that done so well at the end of the season with at least 4 or 5 of these signings then I cant see why you have so much gloom. If we get to August without any then YES it will be an alarming time.
    A lack of investment - again to be seen. We are going to be sensible with money yes, but like you, me and thousands of fans this is what we have been wanting. We all moaned at paying over the top prices for the likes of Edwards, Norris & Leadbitter. Now the club has said they wont do the same and your still moaning. Most clubs have already stated that the fair play rules will dramatically change the face of football. It will probably mean players are harder to get in some ways but with our resources we should be able to fight fairly for players. Again if we lose out to players this summer to smaller resourced clubs then big questions will need asking but until then it is a case of wait and see.
    1 or 2 top quality loans will be a welcome addition for me but again only 1 or 2. If we can get a wilshere/ lansbury like player from one of the big teams for nothing for a year then great.

    Away from your last post do you just like saying that some fans accepted last season because you actually believe it or just to wind others up? I am yet to see one post on here which will say anything other than the majority of last season was an utter shambles yet you still keep on with the comments.
     
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  7. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough Tractorbhoy I accept that you are in the "all is well with the world camp" and fair enough you pays your money you take your choice. I don't see any evidence of a coherent plan after 4 years of Marcus Evans only the usual bollocks about getting to the premiership at the earliest opportunity! Smaller clubs like Reading, Brighton, Southampton have all overtaken us and we are getting reguarly stuffed by the the likes of Millwall, Watford, Peterborough and the like. If you are happy to accept this garbage then fair enough. <ok>
     
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  8. itfcptc

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    These are the reasons why I get so wound up with some posters on this site. No substance in the argument and then saying that those of us who don't think PJ should get the sack think he is brilliant (Jewell lovers) or think that we think everything is hunky dory at the club, usually followed by some sort of insult. Noone on this site has said they are pleased at the state of which our club is in (apart from Norwich fans).
     
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  9. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    So finishing 13th and 15th in the last 2 seasons isn't substance enough...! <doh> Football is a results driven business and Jewell has failed to deliver on every single measure. Tactically out of his depth and his football philosophy is 10 years out of date. There are plenty of up and coming managers that I would love to see at this club in the mould of Burley in his early years here. We will go nowhere with this clown and for you to believe otherwise is just wishful thinking based on everything we have seen this season. We will be the longest serving club in the Championship next season, stale, deviod of ideas and ambition, happy to comply with every rule in the book whilst hungry clubs with savvy football owners overtake us. You may be happy for us to end up like Coventry City but there are many who surprisingly are not.
     
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  10. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    Whilst we can all disagree about who should be manager and what the next step for the club should be etc. The thing we are getting annoyed about on this thread you just keep coming out with in your posts, clearly no fan wants to see us heading the way of Coventry or thinks all is well at the club, that is just a stupid thing to say!!!

    Yes there are plenty of managers out there who I would like to see at the club aswell but I've seen enough in Jewell to think he could well change which the club has been heading since the appointment of Keane. After the state Keane left us in, the next manager was always going to need a few seasons to rebuild especially with the current climate of football. I think by this time next year unless PJ completely mucks it up we will generally be able to see if he has done a good job as hopefully we will start to have a decent squad.
     
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    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    How many mistakes does he have to make before you actually believe that he isn't the right man! I would accept one or two mistakes but there have been a whole bloody catalogue and still counting! Clegg is the biggest roadblock to success at this football club but while he still supports Jewell then I'm afraid we are all ****ed. You wait this summer for the excuses when we miss our transfer targets. I really hope that Jewell proves me wrong but i'm afraid to say there is no chance of that. Anyone who signs a gk on loan with a 24 hour recall clause and then goes on to play 4 different gk's during the season and then blames everyone but himself for the amount of goals we conceded is a ****ing lunatic!
     
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  12. San Diego

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    Norris can just stay where he is, picking up the empty pay packet he was so interested in. Tosser.

    Clegg can **** off too.
     
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  13. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    Well if he gets Norris back and makes Delaney Captain, then I would want him gone. Truthfully though when I think we have a more settled squad, after this summer and next season we can have a true evaluation. I think by the end of his contract a reasonable decision can be made up until this point we he has had a very difficult job, he's made some mistakes but also done some good things. The position he took us over in has made these mistakes more probable however, that with this ridiculous premierleague at the first opportunity thing!!
     
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  14. San Diego

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    Am I the only one who has started to think that Marcus is the real root of our problems and that we won't really get anywhere until he decides to sell?
    Would a new CEO make a difference if his hands are still tied by The Illusive Man?
     
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  15. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Its a case of the blind leading the blind <ok>
     
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  16. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Look guys, I'm not on here just to wind people up although sometimes it is an undeniable pleasure! We all want whats best for Ipswich Town but where the real difficulty lies is in how do we achieve this? When all I see is the very fabric of the club being ripped apart for no good reason Yes I get angry! I completely disagree with ptc and the other apologists and I say that we need to address the real problems that face this club. Clegg has proven himself to be the worst CEO we have ever had bar none. Even in the cost cutting days of Kerr and his ilk we still at least had our youth players to rely on! Nowadays we can't be bothered with giving them a decent chance to develop in our first team. Clegg simply hasn't got a clue how to run a football club but he is too arrogant to admit his shortcomings and instead just prefers to bullshit the fans at every opportunity. We have had enough of this ****e and I for one will not set foot into Portman Road again until he has finally gone! As for Jewell we need to put the poor bastard out if his misery and I hope and pray that SKY will soon be finding him a comfy sofa! The air of decline and even worse the acceptance of decline is sickening.
     
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    I think this cuts to the root of many of our problems.We seem to have lost our way in bringing on talented youth-to think we won the FA Youth Cup not too long ago but how many of that team went on to make an impact at first team level?
     
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    Goalkeeper - this *****lian clusterfuck of a situtation we are all aware of
    Defenders - Ingamarsson, their confidence shot, distinct lack of technical coaching or awareness to remedy this through signing someone capable
    Midfield - Bullard has let himself and us down, the changing of partnerships, inconsistency of performances
    Forwards - Chopra has serious issues that I hope he overcomes and regains his form. Serious lack of depth, Ellington

    Cresswell has done well for a young 'un. JET needs to show more consistency. Hyam and Carson need to show more in training to force their way in. Scotland and Edwards (came in a taxi) have been rightly rewarded for the performances and dedication to the club. We really need to get some players in but I don't think our CEO is capable of this, nor do I have faith in the manager being able to find the right players and convince them to sign for us. Whether we offer a decent enough wage is another matter. I think that our coaching team is too inexperienced and ask yourself, are we drawing the best performances from this crop of talent we have at our disposal. We've had some good runs when our confidence has been up but the foundations are too hollow. There's a distinct lack of a plan, and what plans we have seem to change through the season.

    They're in the last chance saloon and they need to sort it out...
     
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  19. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    I will sum it up for you Blue Monkey, it doesn't matter who the hell is playing for us, the problems lie off the pitch.
     
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  20. tractor bhoy

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    Thats the thing - I am not and nowhere near the all is good with the world camp. I would also argue that no way are Reading or Southampton small clubs but it is very annoying when clubs of a similar size to us can make such giant leaps whilst we stutter from one issue to another. I can absolutely see where your frustrations on last season come from but it appears you have already written the club off for next season before we have actually done anything concrete. If come the start of the season we are still in this sorry state without a GK or a defence at least then I will probably be joining you in the vitriol against the club but we have heard where the clubs wants to strenghten, which is the areas we feel needs strengthen and I feel it is correct to let them prove themselves before we make wholesale changes and have to go back to basics again. Appointing a clegg replacement now may take time and potentially lose more transfer targets through no one being in place.
    As I pointed out in another thread, if the Guan attachment leads to us losing out on any transfers due to no-one being around then I can see a real and understandable backlash arising.
    I want us to be sensible with money. If we see a Central Defender we like but we value him at 750k I want us to bid up to 750k, possible 900k but not keep on going until we end up with another Norris event where we pay £2m for someone who is worth 75p. If we get our business right then there is no reason why we cant build a decent team but without totally throwing money at it.
    If we can add the players we want to the team that ended last season then I dont feel overly worried but the proof of where we are as a club will definately be what we do this summer and it has already started with a potential issue with clogg and the olympics.
    I will give the club this summer until my patience disappears
     
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