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Diving & a seperate piece about Guly tagged on the end

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by lamby, Sep 25, 2012.

  1. Pelletron

    Pelletron Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, was Aguero. With the benefit of replays, you can almost always tell whether it's a dive (over-acted, after the fact, completely wrong) or a player going down because he got fouled even though the foul itself didn't take him over (which I think is fine - I do it myself these days in the league I play in, because you don't get the foul awarded otherwise, and we have conceded goals from that situation before, as ref will often play a vague advantage which often results in loss of possession straight away). They are often tackles where you know it's a foul, and you're losing balance, but you could stay up, but have often lost the momentum or whatever advantage you had. I personally think that's fine, and yes, Aguero could have gone down, but I also commend him for trying to stay on his feet as he obviously thought he still had a decent chance of scoring.

    However, Andy Carroll's dive for Liverpool vs Newcastle last season, after he'd rounded the keeper and had the goal at his disposal (basically doing I think what I describe above - that is just plain stupid!)
     
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  2. SFC4BAG

    SFC4BAG Well-Known Member

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    Some clubs always seem to have more divers than others. It is down to the club to pick and play the team therefore I suggest it is the clubs that should also receive a form of punishment.

    By allowing and no doubt, in some cases, fostering these actions they are fully culpable and therefore as guilty as the player.

    A player can be yellow carded and that I sanction. With every game at the top now fully covered by cameras I would add that any player booked unfairly or even if there is a doubt the card be rescinded. On the other hand any player found guilty whether previously booked or not be given an automatic 2/3 game suspension with a red card issued for bringing the game into disrepute. Those already given a yellow having their booking changed.

    I would also say that after 2 or 3 such incidents with their players a club could/should be punished. Maybe 2 points per booking after a warning has been issued.
     
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  3. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Stoke manager Tony Pulis says those found guilty of diving during football matches should be handed three-match bans. For once I'm in agreement with him. A 3 match ban would soon stop this happening.
     
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  4. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Tuesday.

    I agree. I think the reasoning was that the foul continued into the penalty area. But that's all I can work out. It was a direct free kick just outside the box, in my opinion.
     
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  5. RickieLambertsGoldenBoot

    RickieLambertsGoldenBoot Well-Known Member

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    As I've said before:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19744028

     
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  6. devonFRATTONiser

    devonFRATTONiser Well-Known Member
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    If a player is caught diving he should be made to remove his football boots and wear flippers for the rest of the game.
     
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  7. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a 3-match ban for deliberate handball leading to a goal could be brought in too, eh Tony?
     
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  8. Qwerty

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    It was a tough one. If a foul begins outside the area and continues inside, then it's a penalty. But I thought the Wednesday player could have considered himself unfortunate because he seemed to fall over and then Steve tripped over him.
     
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  9. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Yeah, that's what I thought. Definite foul but, for me, the Wednesday player's involvement ended just outside the area. Mind you, Mark Halsey was in a better position than the cameras, as he was almost in line with the edge of the penalty area, so he must have been convinced.
     
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  10. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Yes. Read your comment and this one earlier, so don't despair. People read other's posts. ;)

    Like I said before... I'd make it 5-10 games. That would stop it almost immediately. Players who appealed could go to a panel if they felt hard done by, or falsely accused, but would run the risk of a raised ban, closer to 10 games. You watch the players stay on their feet then..! ;)
     
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  11. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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  12. Archers Road

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    Yes. It's the referee's job to penalise fouls. Falling over doesn't make his job any easier.
     
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  13. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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  14. Beef

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    Think he will be gone in Jan or the end of the season tbh. Shame he has been a good player for us but we are moving on, he is getting so little game time now.
     
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    He's not good enough at this level. He was decent in the championship but we have far too many attacking options now so he shouldn't be near the side.
     
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  16. tomw24

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    Not happy if this is true. He is a good player and should stay.
     
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  17. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    I agree. Hoping it's just him saying eventually but maybe the court case and bad publicity coupled with a few boo boys means he's had enough.
     
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  18. Channon walked on H2O

    Channon walked on H2O Active Member

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    Guly must stay ... but missed the link to diving (?)
     
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  19. Jose Fonte baby

    Jose Fonte baby Well-Known Member

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    Guly's still getting on the bench though, he's still needed IMO.
     
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  20. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    There isn't one Beddy merged two threads. Think he's being controversial!
     
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