Two weeks wages of one of the better players would comfortably pay an annual wage for a person with a Masters' degree who might have the ability to innovate and take it to a new level. Striving for excellence is not going to happen when you're striving to be cheap.
Look at this way lads, I am sure we all part of the membership of ownership within the Swans, we own 20% of the club and trust effectively just a spokesperson. We should really be telling the trust that we are not happy with this and that we expect the interns to paid.
It appears its not just the Swans doing this http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ploiting-unpaid-interns?mobile-redirect=false I've got to laugh, some are blaming thatcher for this lol
In industry bursary appointments are a regular and necessary occurrence. Unlike apprenticeships, funded through local authority and government grants, bursary appointments are funded through grants, awards donated by industry institutions or individuals, eg Princes Trust awards. Local authorities also fund schemes designed specifically for bursary students. Through bursary appointments a business opens up its practices completely to students so that they can continue their learning 'in situ'; as opposed to learning in a sterile class room, nothing beats experience. In our case the students will be taught by our staff with full access to the technology, hard and software, used in this area. The students will shadow our staff and in their learning capacity, will be proffered full access to home and away games, all training sessions both group and individual. They will also have access to the experience of our staff, ML et al. Bursary appointments offer the same huge LEARNING opportunities for graduate and under graduate students through work experience same as an apprenticeship. It differs from apprenticeships in as much as the students are expected to complete a 10,000 (min) word dissertation which will be credited towards their honors, masters degree of Phd. Students are there to learn. All the Swans have done is to openly offer this fabulous opportunity to graduates in order to facilitate learning. It is something that 'A' grade businesses do to improve their business profile.
Glad to see you are not defending your otherwise excellent club over this. Hopefully the problem is fixed and you get the best person for the job, not just the one who can afford it.
This happens in lots of businesses. A friend of mine's daughter is doing degree in Brighton, and studying marketing. She's just been for an interview with Ralph Lauren fin London for a summer stint in there Marketing Department, and they don't pay either, they see it as you getting experience for free, or something along this line.
My son is at University. He aspires to make a career either as a musician or a writer. He was offered the opportunity to work part time as a writer for Disney after he applied to them. He took the appointment but was offered nothing by way of remuneration - it was regarded as a feather in your cap to have the job on your CV and that was his sole reward. A few months on, they were so impressed with his work that, despite culling over 60% of their "casual" writers, they not only kept him on but offered him a paying contract on a regular part time basis. He accepted and it might lead to other, even better things. At worst, he's got a hell of an addition on his CV that will serve him in good stead in the future.
Talk about an overreaction. These are unpaid positions that people can apply for if they want to. Nobody is standing behind them with a machine gun forcing them to do it. Besides, it's a fairly narrow view of the world to think that recompense can only be monetary. They may not be receiving financial renumeration for the job but they're certainly gaining in other ways.
Further on this, when I left school back in the "bad old days", I applied for several jobs in the professions. Believe it or not, most of the companies I approached actually expected ME to pay THEM for the first year. My mother was widowed and needed me to chip in to our budget when I left school at 17 - no question of University. I had several offers where, although I didn't need to pay for my experience, neither was there any salary. I ended up in a solicitor's office and earned the princely sum of £3 a week. This barely paid for bus fares and lunches etc and it was some time before I made enough money to help my mother. And youngsters think it's tough today!
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys. There is tens of millions of pounds going into our Club and we should be paying for the best person for the job. Professional Premiership football is not the voluntary sector or an ailing industry. Regarding your point about paying Ivor - if you have a degree you will already have paid probably twenty grand.
If you do a days work then you should get a fair days pay, All this government work for your dole is rubbish and degrading because if they can find you work for free then there is a job there for someone who wants that type of job....No person should be forced to do a job that they either dont want or are far to qualified to do.....Its all very well telling people to go and find a job but if the jobs are not there except the firms that want free labour then that is the fault of the government for making it far to difficult for companies to stay open or being able to afford to take on more staff on a livable wage....Of course you have the scroungers but that is only a small percent that gives genuin unemployed people a bad name and a great excuse for the government of the day a great excuse to exploit the vulnerable......you have rights so dont work for free....why should you... remember those who are telling you that you must work for free are the ones who have never been unemployed themselves and would not work for free themselves....
too right dai, there was a case in the media recently that a history (?) graduate was doing work experience whilst on JSA at a museum to gain experience, and was told that she would have to stack shelves at poundland for free or lose the JSA. now predictably the right wing media hounded her as a scrounger who was refusing to work, but in reality all that was happening is that poundland wanted to avoid paying someone minimum wage to do a job. why should our taxes subsidise a profit making company? ****ing disgusting policy.
Paying your employer was commonplace when I trained as a Quantity Surveyor. Their stance being that they were having to spend time/money training you. I was lucky,starting on £4.00 per week,but some of my peers had to pay to be employed.
Well no. What actually happened was that she was an student who thought that having a degree meant she was too good to be stacking shelves despite having almost no previous work experience, and that meant she was entitled to sit on her arse doing nothing until her dream job came up. It's not an uncommon view amongst students if I'm honest, particularly those who have fairly useless degrees in humanities subjects. Since doing the placement she has since found work, thus proving the worth of it.
You wouldn't be working for free though would you? An eighteen year old on the dole getting minimum Housing Allowance and Council Tax benefit is basically taking home £120 a week tax free. A hundred and twenty quid in the pocket for doing nothing except looking for a job. Two seven hour days of community work works out at well above the minumum wage, and still leaves loads of time for jobsearch. Bringing in something like this is long overdue because far too many people seem to think that the world owes them a living.
Nice spin on it Lone, she was doing an internship in a museum at that time, her degree was history I think, so connected. But how is this different to what the Swans were offering? If somebody was forced off that to stack shelves in tesco instead, would that be okay? And she got a job completely unconnected to pound land , so there was no worth to it in this particular case.
