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Dirk 'Till You're Musclebound All Night Long

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Muppetfinder General, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

    DayDoDoeDontDayDoe Well-Known Member

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    Dirk was a great LFC player, and would be a regular starter this season

    If anythin the issue was with Kenny and not BR.Dirk should have played most of last season and he didnt, if he had , I suspect he would have stayed this season
     
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  2. Jürgenmeiʃter

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    Dont know mate, he wasn't the best passer and for that reason i'm unsure if BR would have started him reguarly
     
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  3. Jürgenmeiʃter

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    He was a player I really liked though
     
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  4. organic red

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    Kuyt has to be seen as a fantastic servant to LFC over his time at the club,sure there were
    areas of his game which lacked.First touch wasn't the best but the many positives outshine
    the negatives.
    The hatrick v Man. utd,derby goals,european strikes.A scorer of 'big' goals.

    Reliable penalty taker too,and the workrate goes without saying.It was an all round contribution
    to the team.

    Was it the right time to get rid? You have to respect the players aspirations regarding
    time on the pitch.

    I think he would of done well again this season on the right hand side.

    We miss you Dirk
     
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  5. Get rid? It wasn't our choice! Dirk chose to leave and we couldn't do anything about it because of his contract.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Dirk is one of those players that you won't fully appreciate until he leaves.

    He brought a great work ethic, gave 100% every game, fought for the club. He may not have been technically gifted but his game intelligence and effort made up for that - his goals and assists for the club (as a right winger) are very good.
     
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  7. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    This ^ <ok>
     
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  8. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    This ^ <ok>
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    look there's a few different things here.

    1. talent and mentality are two different things.

    2. people said true gent. i'd agree with that.

    3. work rate and willingness to earn the vast sum he was on is what i think people seem to be appreciating most. and players wo don't work for thier 100k is waht really annoys the common fan IMO. Dirk always worked for it.

    4. his last year showed up a serious drop of in ability to do the work rate.

    5. he had an ye for goal but no pace so the one thing the prem needs is pace, his record in holland was great as he could get away with it there.

    6. Legend? not sure how to define it, I'm not sure we've made a legned type player since gerrard and carra perosnally. hyppia, alonso... it depends o nthe definition. the reality is the club has a high standard or legends.

    7. cult hero comment i agree with, cult heros are usually the likes of biscan for our club so dirk does deserve more than that.

    8. Loyal servant? i don't buy that at all these days cos he got 100k per week at the end. 6 years for 11mil isn't a loyal servant. someone like le tissier is a loyal servant but i didn't see madrid knocking on dirks door to test said loyalty.

    9. not good enough? again in what context. 2009 or 2001. in 2009 he was not good enough cos gerrard, torres, alonso etc were there. in 2011 with poulsen and the like we was almost last man standing. What i can say is he was pure frustration to watch as his technique was simply not the bast, his passing often negative and he'd no pace... but when he got into a position round the bye line or got into the box he was good. he delivered more assists once up there... but it was getting up there that was the issue.

    so all in all? I have a lot of time for the guy as a man and appreciate the delivery but it was like many of rafa's era, hard on the eye but effective... not sorry he's gone, paisley said let them age elsewhere so i think he got out at the right time and was smart about that.... Legend? nah... just a good option that worked most days. Also a good example to young players of what you can do to maximise your potential
     
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  10. Foredeckdave

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    MITO, perhaps the only thing I agree with is that it depends upon your definition of legend. You appear to concentrate upon money yet you will give the honour to Carra and Gerrard who were earning the same (if not more) whilst Kuyt was with the club.

    You award the accolade to Carra but you also say "the one thing the prem needs is pace". In a race I'm sure that Kuyt would leave Carra behind.

    However, my contention still remains that the accolade of Legend goes beyond the mundane of speed and technical skill. It goes beyond work rate. For a player to be a legend he has to truly encapsulate the spirit of the club and there you would never find Dirk Kuyt wanting. So a loud yes from me - DIRK KUYT - LEGEND
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I am rather obsessed with the cash after all, look the two you mention started as kids and i still hold them to the same standard which is why i was not please carra got two years off comolli on big cash. Gerrard and carragher played a part in our treble winning year, more trophies to book and the biggest night in the clubs recent history... this is why also i'd put alonso in the legend category. The cash thing si something that annoys me when you see an aquilani swan about for the same cash while a dirk is willing to die for the spot. We all as fans would die for the chance, thats why the cash has to be thought of.. dirk got well paid for the effort, and the effort got him the rewards that were more than cash... ie your admiration for example.


    Compared to the likes of miracle recovery kewell or cowardly konchesky or sicknote aquilani Dirk is indeed a legend. but would he be more of a legend than say Riise? I mean john arne would he be a legend? look at the goals he knocked in or the way he started his career or how its forgotten he dropped the ball on gerrards head for our leader to inspire the troops (one small part)

    Or dietmar Hamann... who came in and inspired us after a bnig transfer deal with newkie... I just think there's a big group of guys who are part of the club's family but legendary status is only awarded to a few of them. Fowler has to be a legend doesn't he? but its not for medals or work rate cos he was a silly boy, no he captured hearts and was worshipped.. and never threw it back in anyones face (torres or owen did)

    in the end carra is a CB and kuyt was a winger... CB's like hyppia can get away with no pace.. carra last season had "no legs" which i mean not much pace but also looked stiff and unable to get about. this year after a big rest he now looks fresh and able to get ab out more but obviously is slow. ergo sorry but this holds no water for me.

    I am fine with your definition of legend i suppose.

    though i'd like you to admit watching dirk kuyt play was often as painful as shaving your head with a wood rasp... it cannot be ignored... he was effective on most days, did the things that made and scored goals well when in position but struggled to get into position too... I am giving him credit for his work and his mentality which is why he's a good example for any kid, it's just that for someone to be a legend i can't help but feel there's jsut something that's needed to put him in the next tier with the guys i'd call legends... perhaps i should be kinder as the last 4 years were ruined by ownership rubbish and he didn't get the chance to win more or something... maybe dirk captured half the hearts and the other half thought it painful.


    the good thing is legend for you, is respected by me <ok>
     
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  13. Muppetfinder General

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    Do you know the story of the frog and the scorpion?
     
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  14. Muppetfinder General

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    Kenny was charged with lowering the wage bill and rejuvenating the squad. He chose to do the hard miles in letting older players play less and getting those six new starts bedded in. Job done, which BR is benefitting from this season. If Henderson had been on the bench all last season would he be contributring as well now? No. And we'd still have an ageing Dirk Kuyt to offload.
     
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