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Did England go Spursy?

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Libby, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. Libby

    Libby 9-0

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    @"Thanks for that Brian" said to me on our board before that the away end might have it in?

    I was hoping to get up in December but my away ticket source may have dried up so will unlikely get a ticket :(
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    He's probably right to be honest, Brian's been more up to date than most with the stadium. I just personally haven't heard anything on it.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The new stadium looks great and it's brilliant that Spurs are 'future proofing' it for when safe standing eventually gets the go ahead. <ok>
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah, just hope it does get given the green light sooner rather than later. Celtic's already proven it's a successful system, as have many in Germany.
     
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    PM me nearer the time. If I can get you a ticket using my dad's ST, I will <ok>
     
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  8. Libby

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    Nice one bud will do <ok>
     
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  11. Libby

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    Surprised it's that ratio tbh. When it comes in I expect a lot of existing grounds that convert will have that due to exit sizes already being in place etc. but being a new ground I would have thought they'd have put provisions in for a bigger ratio than that.
     
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    I can think of 2 immediate reasons and there are sure to be others....

    1. At a capacity of 62,000 there's significant strain on transport getting people in and out of the area. it could be bad at 36,000 and I remember it at 52,000 being a royal pain in the arse on night matches. Even if point 2. could be overcome, this would probably kill any possibility until Crossrail 2, if and when that happens.

    2. I'm not sure that there would be too much governmental support for increasing the number of spectators in the same space, straight away. This is more likely to be possible once the initial hurdle of reintroducing standing has been crossed. As and when that happens, the rail seating system Spurs have utilised would make increasing capacity pretty easy.

    Slowly, slowly on this one chaps.
     
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    Fair points and it is what wba were offering to trial, theirs would have been perfect too as they were proposing of doing the back half of a stand with both home and away fans and I think for it to work properly you need to have a section in the away ends too.

    Like I say, I highly doubt many existing grounds would be able to increase it anyway without a complete rebuild, and not due to space but things like exit sizes as I mentioned. Certainly none of the old grounds I imagine.
     
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    Islington council put a cap of 60k on our ground due to transport infrastructure. So whilst the logistical capacity issues of the stadium can be overcome with different designs/standing areas, the wider impact on the transport systems already in place will determine stadium capacity. Not sure what Haringey Council's stance on this is with Spurs ?

    If Arsenal ever wanted to introduce safe standing we would have to incorporate it into existing seated areas, which would probably mean a significant section of fans would have to agree to give up their seat for a standing place, although the rail seating designs are a kind of hybrid between standing and sitting.
     
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    I don't think there would have been much political will to go for anything higher than we've gone for right now. and historically, the relations between the council and the club have been frosty. The recent council move to the left politically might set back recent improvements, we shall see?

    What could be interesting is whether Spurs use the safe standing set up for other activities - concerts, rugby, NFL? I'd love to see it be declared unsafe for football but safe for everyone else.
     
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    Yep, the logical conclusion of the opponents of safe standing just ends up being shot down, when other large events already employ safe standing. The argument that football culture is somehow 'different and dangerous' might have been palatable back in the 90's, but not now in 2018.
     
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    For me, football terraces back in the 70's were on a par with a Clash gig. The cages and policing changed everything for one. The other is pretty much unchanged, You're far more likely to be injured at a gig than in a safe standing area in a stadium like New WHL.

    The Spurs stance is spot on. The club want to introduce safe standing in areas where supporters stand already. The only change is increased safety. Pretending that everyone at PL and Championship matches sits in a seat is a fallacy
     
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    There are plenty of studies that prove that standing in seated areas is far more dangerous than having dedicated standing areas. And you're right, loads of people stand in seated areas anyway.

    I don't remember the terraces in the 70's, but I travelled the length and breadth of England in the mid/late 80's and stood on those old decrepit terraces. The North Bank at Highbury was okay, that was my safe space and I knew the score there. The Clock End was a bit more edgy, but being an away fan was always more dangerous, as you were treated as the enemy, by both home fans and the Police and most of those away ends were designed to contain fans in pens, rather than offer any kind of enjoyable spectacle.

    Hillsborough was an accident waiting to happen. I'd been at games where I'd been crushed, caught up in surges, locked in with thousands of fans wanting to get out.... loads of times. It was just the way it was, until it all came to a catastrophic head in 1989, but even before then there had been deaths on Terraces, but football fans were seen as second class citizens, working class oiks who didn't deserve to be treated any other way.

    The introduction of safe standing is probably 10 years behind schedule in the UK, but it looks as though the weight of support for it, is finally tipping the balance. That with the recognition that Hillsborough wasn't about the terraces, but poor policing and weak infrastructure and I think we're on the cusp of something really great in football grounds in the UK.

    It will never be the same as it was in the 70's and 80's and probably for the best to be honest. But the atmosphere at grounds has been quashed by the nod to corporate and day tripper provision. I've been told to sit down, stop swearing, and calm down at the Emirates, because I've been plonked in with people who want a more sedate experience. Safe standing will the help to reinvigorate the passion and allow like minded fans to stand together, and the atmosphere will be so much better for it <ok>
     
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