Match Day Thread Derby County vs Saints, Sat 4th October, 15:00

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Just back in the front door from Derby

Thoughts...

It was a game of two halves, but in the sense that the first half of the game was the 30 minutes where Ross Stewart was on the pitch and the second half of the game was the next hour. Honestly, I felt we looked great with Ross on the pitch, probably as cohesive and threatening as we've looked all season. Lots of nice, mixed passing, a balance of quick short play and direct play into Stewart and then exposing the space between the Derby back four and the midfield. Ross individually looked very good and managed to bring the others around him into the game and occupy the centre halves. Hopefully his injury is a minor one

Sadly, after Ross went off, we seemed to almost immediately become drained of all ideas of how to progress the play beyond the midfield. Not enough movement, not enough penetration and zero physicality to use as a platform to bring others into the game. As a result the midfield pattern of play became a hell of a lot more sideways and backwards than it was in the opening half an hour as midfielders continually looked up to see nobody moving or stretching the Derby lines

Given how obvious Will Still was about his desire to have a physical profile up front to build his attack around, to be finding ourselves in a situation where we look sh!t-or-bust based on whether Ross Stewart's body to sustain itself for an entire season isn't acceptable. For the only feasible alternative to be Damion Downs, who we spent £7m on and looks miles off the level right now, is also unacceptable. At best it is naive from Spors and co, at worst it is negligent

I have spent a fair bit of time defending/trying to be pragmatic about Downs but my goodness, he really offers such little to this team. The runs aren't right, he takes up odd positions out of possession, he doesn't press the backline, he doesn't win enough in the air and his touch/first-time passes are clumsy

I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he looks way off it and, ordinarily, a 21yo striker would be able to dip his toe in and find his way into this league with some 15 minute cameos in games where business is already taken care of

Given the scenario we're in, he gets thrown in when we're under pressure, the crowd is restless and he doesn't deliver and then takes more criticism on his shoulders. He looks absolutely bereft of self-belief right now and I'm not entirely sure what the answer to that is. I'd ordinarily say he needs to play through it but he is such a passenger that it is not fair on the other 10 lads on the pitch - maybe a loan and/or 21s games in the meantime?

Anyway, going from back to front...

McCarthy was great today and the defence, by and large, seemed pretty settled and comfortable. Wood continues to impress me. I was happy with the defence and the midfield in the past week or so, but it felt like our question marks were in goal and in the final third. We seem to have calmed down the goalkeeping situation now somewhat and McCarthy should stay in goal indefinitely this season. There's a 'spine' emerging of McCarthy, Wood, Charles, Jander, Armstrong and ???

At the other end, we're still all over the place really. Given how obvious Will Still was about his desire to have a physical profile up front to build his attack and entire tactical approach around, to be finding ourselves in a situation where by the first weekend of October we already look ****-or-bust based on whether Ross Stewart's body to sustain itself for an entire season isn't acceptable. For the only feasible alternative to be Damion Downs, who we spent £7m on and looks miles off the level right now, is also unacceptable. At best it is naive from Spors and co, at worst it is negligent

I feel we've not yet found the best way to make use of our new signings in the wide areas: Fellows, Scienza, Azaz. These are guys with pedigree (some in this league, some elsewhere) and we've seen flashes from all of them. My feeling is that the formation is helping the central midfielders and the defenders but requiring our new wide players to play roles they aren't quite accustomed to yet. Scienza looked lively today, I loved his positivity in always looking to go forward and he is an effortless dribbler. He needs to cut out the play-acting though because that's already becoming slightly tedious

Beyond that, I thought Charles and Jander looked good again in the middle today. Today felt like a game where we got enough from the keeper, defence and midfield to win the game, but the lack of ideas from the forwards left us high and dry and made the draw feel pretty inevitable

Anyway, back home with the last servings from the chippy and time to watch MOTD and the EFL highlights. Well done if you made it this far <laugh>

Agree with pretty much all of this mate.

The bit in bold is undoubtedly my biggest concern and for me risks wasting any good work in the transfer window regarding other positions.

Just remarkable that we've gone into this season relying on a striker who's barely kicked a ball in 2/3 years and another who'd totally unproven and seems miles off it.

If we had someone like Carlton Morris in our squad we'd be infinitely better off and that represents a huge failing in the window for me.
 
This was me for all of the last season we were in the Championship, as I was living in Wellington. I did stay up to watch the play off final at something like 3/4am in a hotel when on holiday in Indonesia though!!

On that note, missed today’s game due to work. Sounds like we missed Stewart? Any news on whether injury is serious?
He pulled up holding his hamstring. At best he strained it. At worst he will miss another six months.

Apparently having an MRI this week to find out.
 
Yeah I get that, though I'm not sure them being good half a century ago has much bearing on where the two clubs are today.

We've spent the vast majority of the last 60 years in the top flight but that didn't mean I expected us to outperform Bournemouth and Brighton last season.

Regarding today I think it depends on people's expectations for the season. If you think we should be aiming for automatic promotion then I think it's fair to say we should be looking to beat bottom half sides home and away.

Anyway for me the disappointment this season has come from performances rather than results. I really don't think its it's entitled to think we should have had at least one good 90 minute performance in our first 9 matches.

In fact I'll go further and say that had anyone preseason said they didn't think we would have had a good performance by this point, they would have been called overly negative by the same people calling them entitled now.

I said at the end of last season that this championship season will be tougher than last time because of how far we fell. and gave the example of where Derby's record breakers finished the next season (19th).
Yes we have spent but we have also lost players too and building a team does take time and we haven't known the squad until the Skates game. I said 10 matches after the transfer window and I stand by that, if we are still not performing well then questions will be asked but not right now.
I thought that we were ok today and Derby matched us and it was a very competitive game and a good watch.
 
Agree with pretty much all of this mate.

The bit in bold is undoubtedly my biggest concern and for me risks wasting any good work in the transfer window regarding other positions.

Just remarkable that we've gone into this season relying on a striker who's barely kicked a ball in 2/3 years and another who'd totally unproven and seems miles off it.

If we had someone like Carlton Morris in our squad we'd be infinitely better off and that represents a huge failing in the window for me.
Yep, actually ended up on the train to Tamworth with a Derby fan after the game who said 'if you had Carlton Morris to come on when you lost your centre forward, you'd have won that game' and I found it hard to disagree
 
Agree with pretty much all of this mate.

The bit in bold is undoubtedly my biggest concern and for me risks wasting any good work in the transfer window regarding other positions.

Just remarkable that we've gone into this season relying on a striker who's barely kicked a ball in 2/3 years and another who'd totally unproven and seems miles off it.

If we had someone like Carlton Morris in our squad we'd be infinitely better off and that represents a huge failing in the window for me.

It should be remarkable. But alas, with SR's record, it's not. Just standard by them. I was concerned long before the window closed that they were gambling far too much on Stewart remaining fit.

I was very surprised that a bigger Championship club than Derby didn't sign Morris this summer. Excellent signing by them.
 
Not been back long myself from the game. Agree with a lot of the comments already made about the game.
Looked pretty good whilst Stewart was on, but afterwards was very scrappy and that continued throughout the second half.
Thought Fellows should have done better with the chance right at the end, but probably didn’t deserve to win the game at the end.
Was talking on the way home that with Stewart out, I feel going back to the back 4 would be better with the striking options we have now, as need to get Fellows and Azaz firing, and give Jalert a chance at either fullback position, with Scienza providing pace and attacking intent on the left?
 
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I said at the end of last season that this championship season will be tougher than last time because of how far we fell. and gave the example of where Derby's record breakers finished the next season (19th).
Yes we have spent but we have also lost players too and building a team does take time and we haven't known the squad until the Skates game. I said 10 matches after the transfer window and I stand by that, if we are still not performing well then questions will be asked but not right now.
I thought that we were ok today and Derby matched us and it was a very competitive game and a good watch.

I agree that it will be tougher for us compared to last time, partly due to last season (though I don't think the impact of that is as big as portrayed sometimes, to counter your Derby example you could say Sheffield United got 92 points last season after only 15 the season before), but mainly because the team is weaker than last time. None of our strikers are as good as Che and none of our defenders as good as Bedders.

On the plus side I think the league itself is weaker too than last time which is good news for us given how we've started and means theres much less of a gap to the top of the league.

Please don't think that I'm writing the team or the manager off, as you allude to it's far too early to be doing that.

I did expect us to perform better than what we have so far though and think we really need to get going sooner rather than later.

The Swansea home game is looking huge right now.
 
It should be remarkable. But alas, with SR's record, it's not. Just standard by them. I was concerned long before the window closed that they were gambling far too much on Stewart remaining fit.

I was very surprised that a bigger Championship club than Derby didn't sign Morris this summer. Excellent signing by them.
In a perverted way, it's almost kind of impressive to have had Shields, Ankersen, Wilcox and Spors all to have passed through the club with responsibility for recruiting and squad planning and to still be in a situation where we have not been able to just sign a consistent goal scorer or a proper goalkeeper. Going into 2026 with Alex McCarthy and Ross Stewart at either end of the pitch having to play significant roles is just nuts (and a failure)
 
It should be remarkable. But alas, with SR's record, it's not. Just standard by them. I was concerned long before the window closed that they were gambling far too much on Stewart remaining fit.

I was very surprised that a bigger Championship club than Derby didn't sign Morris this summer. Excellent signing by them.

Yeah I think I mentioned it after the Ipswich game, where it already seemed clear what type of striker Will liked and how light we were with those players.

I guess all we can do is hope Stewart's injury isn't too bad. For his sake as much as ours tbh.

I know I've already said it a couple of times but it really was mental to start him today imo.
 
Changing subject slightly.

I'm more than a bit baffled/concerned by the sudden lack of game time for Robinson in the last 3/4 games. Especially as I thought he did well when coming on on Tuesday night.

We were so predictable in the second half today and though he's young to me seemed the exact sort of player which could have given Derby something different to think about.
 
I agree that it will be tougher for us compared to last time, partly due to last season (though I don't think the impact of that is as big as portrayed sometimes, to counter your Derby example you could say Sheffield United got 92 points last season after only 15 the season before), but mainly because the team is weaker than last time. None of our strikers are as good as Che and none of our defenders as good as Bedders.

On the plus side I think the league itself is weaker too than last time which is good news for us given how we've started and means theres much less of a gap to the top of the league.

Please don't think that I'm writing the team or the manager off, as you allude to it's far too early to be doing that.

I did expect us to perform better than what we have so far though and think we really need to get going sooner rather than later.

The Swansea home game is looking huge right now.

I'd say that we also miss a player that can transition play with direct running at the oppo through the middle like Stuey used to. Fellows had a few runs today but never really led anywhere, maybe that will change in time.
 
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I'd say that we also miss a player that can transition play with direct running at the oppo through the middle like Stuey used to. Fellows had a few runs today but never really led anywhere, maybe that will change in time.
Scienza showed this today, albeit without the robustness of Stu. It's why I'd be inclined to get him and Fellows on the pitch as much as possible now, if Stewart misses any real time
 
Where Stewart's injury is concerned, a two week break is a good thing - but then coming back to three games in a week is a bad thing. At worst he misses all three (and maybe even a whole lot more). But even if he recovers, Still surely won't risk him in three games again.

I don't like any of the alternative options. But in terms of what I least dislike, I wonder if Azaz in a sort of false-nine role might be worth a go? For a player like him, he is taller than you expect. And it could still allow Armstrong and Fellows to play wide. We did something similar a small number of times under Martin, using Alcarez, and it sort of worked (but never as good as playing Che at no.9).
 
I'd say that we also miss a player that can transition play with direct running at the oppo through the middle like Stuey used to. Fellows had a few runs today but never really led anywhere, maybe that will change in time.

Yep Stuey would have been the third player I mentioned after Che and Bedders.

Hopefully Azaz might become that player for us. Really think we need to try and find a way of playing which gets the best out of him and give him a run of games.
 
Oh and something I forgot to mention, but the play acting from their number 27 is the worst I've seen from an opposition player for years.

Properly pathetic <laugh>
 
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Oh and something I forgot to mention, but the play acting from their number 27 is the worst I've seen from an opposition player for years.

Properly pathetic <laugh>

Dreadful from him. And he's their captain!

He was also very lucky not to get a second yellow. Seemed very dirty.
 
Oh and something I forgot to mention, but the play acting from their number 27 is the worst I've seen from an opposition player for years.

Properly pathetic <laugh>
That was ****ing awful. Lewis Travis, I think, pretending that Arma had stamped on his fingers it looked like?
 
He pulled up holding his hamstring. At best he strained it. At worst he will miss another six months.

Apparently having an MRI this week to find out.


I hope to god it's merely strained. I thought okay it's just a hammy, then remembered TLND's hamstrings are his achilles :(

Poor Ross it's always soft tissue, must live on a diet of zinc, copper, and magnesium
 
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