I doesn't taint all of Islam, but there are far too few Islamic voices condemning such extremists and that does taint the religion. As you say it's not a race, so the white bloke is irrelevant. People are mislead about the racial aspect of it by the presence of the EDL, who are also a bunch of arseholes. There should be more people protesting against them, as their protest was disgustingly timed. A few Muslims turning up to point out that they don't represent them wouldn't have hurt, either. Their influence on public opinion of Muslims should definitely be an issue for you. Not sure why you don't seem to mind these extremists representing your faith, to be honest. How do you know that anyone there from the EDL is on benefits? I've picked out someone that genuinely is, as he's a public figure. Could you even name one of the counter-protesters? Changing what I said from not working to choosing not to work is a misquote. It changes the tone dramatically. If he's getting benefits incorrectly, then it's both about him and the system. He may well be entitled to them, but he doesn't do the image of him and his organisation any good by refusing to discuss it. Could you make any more excuses for this scumbag? It's clearly the same demonstration, don't be ridiculous. The site itself is obviously dubious, but it links directly to a Daily Mail story, which is a different kind of dubious. He should be locked up, but it's hard to tell if he was or not as he has a very similar name to a Saudi Mujahideen who was killed in Chechnya. Somebody's public persona and charisma don't reflect their views. I'm sure that we can both think of some truly horrific people from history who also undoubtedly had powerful personalities. I don't characterise him as dark due to some misconception. I do it because of his publicly stated views. He's an extremist lunatic.
As I say his views are often misquoted/misrepresented/out of context. Some are subject to a persons on bheliefs/background etc I think you should meet him and ask If he was that 'extremist' how come he is not in prison?
A few thoughts Anjem Choudary clearly does not offend the majority of Muslims as they have not protested against him Poles work for less money (as opposed to the stronger work ethic spin from employers) The race card was being played in regard to Muslims long before the EDL was created It is hypocritical to complain about "illegal" wars in relation to Britain/America vs a Middle East country and say nothing in relation to wars between Middle Eastern countries (as Brian Haw the fraudulent "pacifist" did)
What bugs me about the grief the UK get for their wars against Muslims is the fact that they went to war with Serbia to save the lives of kosovan Muslims and Albanian Muslims.....an not one Muslim country gave a **** Also, peace protesters.....mostly silent when atrocities carried out by Brits in Ireland Band wagon jumping whores the lot of them
Any proof that there was an Islamic counter-protest? It could well be true, but it's received absolutely no coverage if it is. Choudary's English, as are most of his associates, so the white bloke's irrelevant. That's a ridiculous and frankly disgusting attitude. Deaths in one country do not make deaths in another country any less relevant. You don't think that these lunatics have any influence on the public perception of Islam? You're utterly wrong. They are the threat that's held up by the likes of the EDL. In what way have Britain and the USA ensured that public opinion of Islam will not change? The founder of the EDL Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, owns a sunbed shop. Alan Lake, it's supposed financial backer, is a computer expert and a millionaire. Both far-right scumbags, but not unemployed. The two people that you name don't show much information on a Google search. Who are they? He should discuss it on TV because it's being used to undermine him and his organisation. He has claimed that he's not received any money from the British government, but that doesn't appear to be the case and he refuses to answer questions about being on the dole. I believe that anyone that supports terrorism and violent, extremist theism is a scumbag. You apparently don't. If it wasn't the same demo, then I'm sure there would've been a public declaration of that by Muslims Against Crusades. Has there been? In what context were his suggestions of fiddling benefits ok, then? Could you explain this better, please? I'm in North London. It would be fairly easy for me to meet him. I don't think that we'd get on, though. Holding extremist views doesn't mean that you're imprisoned. The BNP/EDL and their offshoots are often extremists, but they're not all locked up. He has been prosecuted successfully and been a member of a number of banned groups, though. Are you just going to claim 'out of context' whenever anyone says anything that's indefensible?
actually you may need to read up on the history of the bosnia/serbia/kosov conflict. If you do you may find that it actually has a lot in common with the likes of Iran/Iraq, palestine/israel and even Ireland read up on Zimmerman and how he basically stopped a peaceful negotiation/agreement on borders. And as usual read the arms embargo on the bosnians which lead to them being killed without the ability to fight back as for the Ireland and brits thing, I think you will find that there were peaceful protests, and america's involvement was in that too
Could you link to it please, as I'm struggling to find it. Choudary was born in Welling, educated in Southampton and Guildford and lives in London. In what way isn't he English? If the objection was to make Muslims appear to be a bunch of frothing fanatics that have no empathy for people trying to respect their dead, then I'd agree. We weren't talking about hypocrisy and as I've already pointed out, other deaths don't have any relevance to those deaths. If you lost somebody, would it not be ok to mourn them because people were killed in the Japanese tsunami? People don't see these idiots as all Islam, though you appear to agree with them. The most extreme elements of every organisation or philosophy will always get the most attention, though. I'm sure that some of the members of organisations like the EDL are genuinely decent people that are just misinformed and a little ignorant, but they're not the ones that the media choose to focus on, either. The UK has been extremely tolerant of Islam, for the most part. Yaxley-Lennon is a hooligan and has a number of convictions for his actions during protests, as does Choudary, I believe. And who are they exactly and what do they do for a living? The protest doesn't have anything to do with his income, but his protests against the West are rather undermined when it appears that he's supported by the very system that he claims to despise. He claimed to not receive any money from the British government and then refused to answer if he was on the dole or income support. He's claimed elsewhere that this is money from Allah. Many people do choose to dodge questions and it almost always makes them look dishonest. He was one of the founding members of MAC, I believe. I claimed that he supported violent extremists, not that he was one. He clearly does. Protesting a war isn't extremism. Protesting a cartoon is. Planning to protest funerals is. To show that they were being misrepresented. I didn't suggest that you had. Why do you keep seeing things in my posts that clearly aren't there? Abu Waleed appears to be suggesting it, though. What context would have made this ok? I'm really not scared of him in person. Why would I be? I'm not going to meet with every member of the British political landscape that I don't agree with and find objectionable. It would take a very, very long time. I'm not judging Choudary on what I've read about him or some random misquotes, I'm judging him on his self-proclaimed ideals. Choudary was convicted for his part in an illegal demonstration, fined and ordered to pay court costs, ironically on July 4th 2006. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5148364.stm The NF, BNP and EDL are/were all political parties, albeit appalling ones. Al-Muhajiroun and it's offshoots were banned for glorifying terrorism, including their Magnificent 19 conference.
hmmm, so he was fined for not giving sufficient notice for a demonstration. Although he did phone and inform the police prior to and on the day of the demonstaration not really extremism is it? some things you may have missed Prosecutor Adina Ezekiel told the court that Choudary called PC Alison Smith on January 31. He said he was a lawyer for a group wanting to demonstrate against the controversial caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed. PC Smith told the court she understood this would only be a 'static' demonstration of 100 to 150 people outside the Danish Embassy in Sloane Street. Scotland Yard, which had been expecting a tiny group of around 100-150 people, was forced to change its plans after more than 500 demonstrators turned up and marched on the embassy. PC Smith told the court: ;I was aware up to that point that no form of permission had been granted for a march. 'I firmly stated to Mr Choudary that the Metropolitan Police Service would facilitate the demonstration as was already discussed.' Giving evidence, Choudary insisted he had only planned a static demonstration and said he had 'no discussion whatsoever' with police about a march. PC Philip Jackson said Choudary told him feelings were 'running very high' over the cartoons and suggested protesters would gather outside the embassy regardless. 'But the real issue is why the Crown Prosecution Service and the police have chosen to prosecute him on such a minor charge. The maximum fine he could have received was £1,000 Richard Barnes, who leads the Tories on the Metropolitan Police Authority, said: 'This matter has been treated in a half hearted way from the start. It has cost a fortune and now appears to have been a complete waste of time.
I didn't say that his lack of organisational skills were an example of his extremism, but the protest itself clearly was. I'm sure that you don't back those that wanted somebody killed for a few drawings, though. Would you back Sharia for the UK, by the way?
I would - we could start stoning people like fan with no name and Eddieveeee for being heretics who question just about every ****ing thing that ever happens or is said. They must be a right laugh down the pub...............
the demonstration/ to demonstrate is not extremist. and with the case you highlighted it was clearly a case of 'stitch up'. as the protest he was organising was for 100/150 people and as i posted the police were happy to fascilitate this. I thought it was good of him to say looks as if it will be a lot bigger and people will do as they wish. It was a heads up if anything Do i believe someone should get killed for a few drawings? No. do i think the drawings were done to stir up shoite? yes. Do i think its hypocritical to use freedom of speech argument for the drawings, then ban others? yes as for shariah for the UK. It would actually be difficult to write in detail on here. In a nutshell as a muslim of course I want shariah. DO i believe in the shariah that is often portrayed? No. Do i think its a political ideology? yes. do I think people understand it? no.
I object, firstly i question yes. However i dont believe some of the things eddie says to be fact I have questions that are not answered sufficiently for me. nowt wrong with that imo and i ama right laugh, life and soul of the party.
Demonstrating against a man drawing supposedly offensive pictures is a little extreme, isn't it? The nature of the protest certainly was. Your suggestion that Choudary gave the police a heads up is in direct contradiction of his claim that he had "'no discussion whatsoever' with police about a march". Which is it? Freedom of speech has limits. You're free to voice your opinions. You're not free to shout "Fire!" in a crowded movie theatre. Glorifying terrorism or calling for somebody to be killed go beyond freedom of speech. I won't try to enter into further discussion of Sharia here with you, as it's a separate subject and would take up too much space. I will bring up one point, though. Do you believe that apostates should be killed?
