Demba Ba

Speaking of Chelsea, why are they buying Atsu from Porto for £3m? I mean it's fckign nuts how many players they have on their books.

Atsu, quick, skillful left winger, available on the cheap....and we're in for Ba on loan. Magic.

 

Got to agree with this. Ba's "problem" (if he had one) was Pardew not playing him OR Cisse, or using one or the other as an "option". Ba's as good a template for a 4-2-3-1 player as you can find. Mobile, rapid, strong, good finisher, brings others into play. Pardew never bothered to find a 4-4-2 that worked, instead constantly pushing one wide in a front 3. Ironic that now Pardew doesn't have two decent strikers he perseveres with a 4-4-2 formation. #sackthemanager

 

Ba employs his agent, they say/do what he instructs them to say/do. Surely you aren't naive enough to think any different??? You said earlier he was professional, but is taking to twitter to cry about being dropped for one game to the league's most in form striker professional??? Not in a million years. And that's not an opinion, it actually happened.

Ba performed well in his first season, in his second season he wasn't a team player, played purely for himself and shot at nearly every oppotunity regardless of whether we had players in a better position. Not sure why you're banging on about emotiional ties to the club or area, it's completely irrelevant as I haven't mentioned that once and that has nothing to do with professionalism.

I happen to think Ba is better than Cisse, but Cisse is more professional (didn't moan once about being on the wing) and more of a team player. He's simply only a poacher though and not a good rounded footballer like Ba.

A prima dona is someone who throws their toys out of the pram when they don't get what they want. Ba did that when refusing to play wide last season and again when kicking up a stink when dropped for one game. Again that is an opinion based on facts.

 

Yeah an agent never says anything of their own back...............surely you are not this daft?? As I say he should have controlled them more, but you can only judge him on his comments, his performances and his professionalism which were all first class.

Ba has never refused to play wide. You keep running with this little wild accusation but its simply not true. He waited till the end of the season and asked, quite understandably, to play as the striker he is. He never kicked up a stink for one game either. Its simply not factual. You have to present anything to substantiate such claims or show Ba anything other than professional.

As for beeling about a couple of comments on Twitter (can't comment, didn't see them) but a couple of comments showing a bit of disappointment at being dropped? Wow. What a terrible professional..............

 

You've sparked a full thread on the scum board mate. Levels of stupidity have hit an all time high, they have took it as you comparing Obertan to Ronaldo rather than comparing how Ronaldo was converted to a forward/striker.

Mind I am assuming you are suggesting Obertan should be given a go up front and not that he is like Ronaldo and has similar attributes

Have to say though, I think he'd be **** wherever we try him.

 

He clearly refused to play wide, why else would Pardew have changed a winning system? I love how you believe that Cabaye is refusing to play (despite no evidence) but won't even contemplate the fact that Ba refused to play in a position other than CF.

And after one game being dropped away at Everton he clearly instructed his agent to whinge about it and then went on to have a moan him self (which is basically questioning Pardew's autority) in the public domain. You can ignore the evidence that you've asked me to provide, but it's clearly there.

Again this is going to have to be another one of those agree to disagree threads as I'm sure we could go on all day.

 

Haha! Quality! How can anyone compare Obertan to Ronaldo - I just think that Obertan would be best converted to a striker then continue to be ****e on the wing.

 

He clearly did not refuse to play wide in the season. Indeed he did so for a half a season for the good of the team. At the end of the season, he asked to be played as a striker, this was confirmed by Pards. I'd imagine the conversation was play me through the middle or he would look to go somewhere he could do that. Pardew, rightly or wrongly, decided he'd rather play him in his natural role than risk losing him. That is not unprofessional, that is a normal footballing situ.

I have no where said I think it is 100% fact that Cabaye is refusing to play. I said that in my opinion, based on what we know that I think he probably is. My bone of contention with Cabaye, as I have stated many times but you seem to have conveniently ignored, is that due to a bid his manager feels his mental state means he is not fit for selection. I think he needs to grow a pair and get on with things. I have no idea what the actual situ is regarding whether he would be willing to play, it just doesn't really matter to me as I'm bored of his desire to go and feel its best he does.

Again we have no evidence to suggest Ba instructed his agent to moan about the Everton game. I mean just possibly this agent had a vested interest in stimulating a situ where Demba leaves...................

What I do know is that Demba was very professional in his comments and that is the best thing to judge him.

You have still to provide any evidence, just a bit of hearsay and assumption.

 

I wouldn't really want Ba back permanently as he would stunt our change in direction. For a loan he'd be perfect, considering mike has no real intention of opening his wallet to transfer and agent fees

 

Bear in mind that it was NMG though.

 

do we actually have a direction, other than down...

 

Well, the direction we would be going, in terms of playing, if we didn't have pardiola

 

doesn´t take much to spark a Toon related thread on their board. There´s normally 2 or 3 at any one time. A backhanded compliment I´d say.

 

I got a tad excited today when I thought that Ashley might be in the position to start looking to sell up as he has never been this tight and that is saying something.
Sadly when we go down he will have to wait another few years to bring the revenue back up

 

A bit stupid really, Ronaldo is nowhere near as fast as Oba.

 

We are so well organised and settled as we speak

 

Indeed. He is an interesting character............

 

looks like the Ba has been raised
http://www.nufcblog.com/2013/08/29/loan-fee-could-be-too-much-for-demba-ba/


Then the Chronicle was reporting that Ba would be a safety measure in case the club couldn’t get Gomis in, but news today that Demba Ba’s loan fee is a massive £3M, so that will rule Newcastle out of the reckoning.

Apparently the club are willing to pay only £1M to take the Senegal striker on loan for the season, even though we have coughed up £2M for Loic Remy from QPR.

Ba is unwilling to sit on the bench at Chelsea this season, and we don’t blame him, because he’s too good to not be playing at Stamford Bridge, but leaving Newcastle in January has not turned out to be a good move for the 28 year-old.

 

I'm convinced he is one of our lot

 

Right, the worst thing that Ba is said to have done is:

a. want to play striker even though it was arguable that it was better for the team if he stayed in his wide role

b. allowed/caused his agent to say that Ba should be played as a striker

c. concentrated on scoring goals rather than passing.

Have I missed out anything ?

Let's assume all of those are true and all are bad things: who is the angel of purity we're comparing him to ? In the list of footballer's crimes and misdemeanours, these barely register. For me, they certainly don't even come close to outweighing:

a. scoring a shedload of goals

b. always being polite and respectful to past and present employers.

(Especially the first)