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i know someone doing BA philosophy who is going to be a lawyer. you sit here (with no degree in all likelihood) saying its a crap degree, i'd like to see you get a 2:1 or 1st in it.

you wouldn't, by the way, PGF or Dai.

educational standards have dipped and more are going than ever, but remember that if you did crap at school and have never stepped foot in a decent university, you need to know your place in this debate.
 
Swamp said:
i know someone doing BA philosophy who is going to be a lawyer. you sit here (with no degree in all likelihood) saying its a crap degree, i'd like to see you get a 2:1 or 1st in it.

you wouldn't, by the way, PGF or Dai.

educational standards have dipped and more are going than ever, but remember that if you did crap at school and have never stepped foot in a decent university, you need to know your place in this debate.
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I have a degree - and I would easily get a degree in law. That's a fact for you <ok>
 
PGFWhite said:
They probably would have even if they didn't obtain a degree. A degree shows that you have certain qualities relating to study, self organisation etc etc. But there are far cheaper ways of establishing that than sending someone to study Latin or some of the subjects listed below for three years:


• BA Ancient Civilisations
• BA Ancient History
• BA Ancient History with Digital Humanities
• BA Ancient History with Education Studies
• BA Ancient History, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Archaeology of Egypt and the Near East
• BA Classical Civilisation
• BA Ancient History and Heritage Studies
• BA Ancient History and History
• BA Ancient History with Ancient Egyptian Culture
• BA Ancient History with Digital Humanities
• BA Ancient History with Education Studies
• BA Ancient History with Greek
• BA Ancient History with Heritage Management
• BA Ancient History with Latin
• BA Ancient History, Anthropology, Education Studies
• BA Ancient History, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Ancient History, Classical Studies, Education Studies
• BA Ancient History, History, Education Studies
• BA Ancient History, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA Classical Civilisation
• BA Classical Studies and Ancient History
• BA Classical Studies with Ancient Egyptian Culture
• BA English, Ancient History, Education Studies
• BA History and Ancient History
• BA Philosophy, Ancient History, Education Studies
• MRes Ancient History
• BA Ancient History and Anthropology
• BA Ancient History, Anthropology, Education Studies
• BA Anthropology
• BA Anthropology and Chinese Studies
• BA Anthropology and Heritage Studies
• BA Anthropology with Digital Humanities
• BA Anthropology with Education Studies
• BA Anthropology with Education Studies
• BA Anthropology with Heritage Management
• BA Anthropology with Psychology
• BA Anthropology, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Anthropology, English, Education Studies
• BA Anthropology, History, Education Studies
• BA Anthropology, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA Applied Anthropology
• BA Archaeology and Anthropology
• BA Classical Studies, Anthropology, Education Studies
• BA English and Anthropology
• BA History and Anthropology
• BA Medieval Studies and Anthropology
• BA Philosophy and Anthropology
• BA Philosophy, Anthropology, Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Anthropology
• BA Ancient History and Archaeology
• BA Ancient History, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Anthropology, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Archaeology
• BA Archaeology with Ancient Egyptian Culture
• BA Archaeology and Anthropology
• BA Archaeology and Heritage Studies
• BA Archaeology Professional Practice
• BA Archaeology with Digital Humanities
• BA Archaeology with Education Studies
• BA Archaeology with Forensic Studies
• BA Archaeology with Heritage Management
• BA Classical Studies and Archaeology
• BA Classical Studies, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA English, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Heritage Studies with Museums & Archives
• BA Heritage Studies with Nautical Archaeology
• BA History and Archaeology
• BA History, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and Archaeology
• BA Nautical Archaeology
• BA Philosophy, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BSc Environmental Archaeology
• BA Glass
• BA Glass in the Public Arts
• BA Glass with Product Design
• BEng Energy and Environmental Engineering
• BSc Architectural Conservation
• BSc Architectural Technology
• BSc Architectural Technology & Glass
• BSc Architectural Visualisation
• BSc Architecture with Virtual Reality
• BSc Civil Engineering and Environmental Management
• BSc Environmental Conservation
• BSc Geographical Information Systems & Environmental Conservation
• BSc Project & Construction Management
• BSc Property Management
• BSc Property Management & Finance
• BSc Property Management & Surveying
• BSc Renewable Energy and the Built Environment
• BSc Sustainable Construction
• BSc Waste Resource Management and Logistics
• HNC GIS & Environmental Conservation
• HNC/D Building Studies
• HND Civil Engineering
• HND Geographical Information Systems (GIS) & Environmental Conservation
• HND GIS & Environmental Conservation
• HND Quantity Surveying
• MDes Architectural Glass Arts
• MEng Energy and Environmental Engineering
• BA Fine Art (Painting & Drawing)
• BA Glass
• BA Glass in the Public Arts
• BA Graphic Design
• BA Illustration
• BA New Media Production
• BA Performing Arts (Contemporary Performance)
• BA Photography in the Arts
• BA Photography in the Arts (4 Year Programme)
• BA Photojournalism
• BA Photojournalism (4 Year Programme)
• BA Surface Pattern Design (Contemporary Applied Arts Practice)
• BA Surface Pattern Design (Fashion Object)
• BA Surface Pattern Design (Textiles for Fashion)
• BA Surface Pattern Design (Textiles for Interiors)
• BA Video Arts
• Diploma in Foundation Studies - Art and Design
• MDes Architectural Glass Arts
• BA 3D Computer Animation
• BA Advertising and Brand Design
• BA Architectural Glass Arts
• BA Art and Design
• BA Art Practice (Community)
• BA Art Practice (Environmental Art)
• BA Art Practice (Health and Wellbeing)
• BA Creative Computer Games Design
• BA Creative Digital Media
• BA Curatorial Practice and Writing for the Arts
• BA Digital Film & Television Production
• BA Digital Film and Television Production (4 years)
• BA Documentary Video
• BA Film and Visual Culture
• BA Fine Art (3D & Sculptural Practice)
• BA Fine Art (Combined Media)
• BA Anthropology and Chinese Studies
• BA Chinese Civilisation and Anthropology
• BA Chinese Civilisation and English
• BA Chinese Civilisation and Medieval Studies
• BA Chinese Civilisation and Philosophy
• BA Chinese Civilisation and Religious Studies
• BA Chinese Studies
• BA Chinese Studies and Digital Humanities
• BA Chinese Studies and Heritage Studies
• BA Chinese Studies with Education Studies
• BA Chinese Studies with Heritage Management
• BA English and Chinese Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and Chinese Studies
• BA Philosophy and Chinese Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Chinese Studies
• Graduate Diploma in Mandarin
• BA Ancient History, Classical Studies, Education Studies
• BA Classical Studies
• BA Classical Studies & Heritage Studies
• BA Classical Studies and Ancient History
• BA Classical Studies and Archaeology
• BA Classical Studies and Creative Writing
• BA Classical Studies and English
• BA Classical Studies and Religious Studies
• BA Classical Studies and Theology
• BA Classical Studies with Ancient Egyptian Culture
• BA Classical Studies with Digital Humanities
• BA Classical Studies with Education Studies
• BA Classical Studies with Greek
• BA Classical Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Classical Studies with Latin
• BA Classical Studies, Anthropology, Education Studies
• BA Classical Studies, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Classical Studies, History, Education Studies
• BA Classical Studies, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA Classics
• BA English and Classical Studies
• BA English, Classical Studies, Education Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and Classical Studies
• BA Philosophy and Classical Studies
• BA Philosophy, Classical Studies, Education Studies
• Postgraduate Certificate and Diploma in Greek
• Postgraduate Certificate and Diploma in Latin
• BA Anthropology, English, Education Studies
• BA Chinese Civilisation and English
• BA Classical Studies and English
• BA Creative Writing
• BA Creative Writing and English
• BA Creative Writing and Heritage Studies
• BA Creative Writing and Philosophy
• BA Creative Writing and Publishing
• BA Creative Writing with Education Studies
• BA Creative Writing with Heritage Management
• BA English
• BA English and Anthropology
• BA English and Chinese Studies
• BA English and Classical Studies
• BA English and Heritage Studies
• BA English and History
• BA English and Publishing
• BA English with Digital Humanities
• BA English with Education Studies
• BA English with Heritage Management
• BA English with TEFL
• BA English, Ancient History, Education Studies
• BA English, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA English, Classical Studies, Education Studies
• BA English, History, Education Studies
• BA English, Philosophy, Education Studies
• BA English, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and English
• BA Philosophy and English
• BA Curatorial Practice and Writing for the Arts
• BA Events Management
• BA Technical Theatre (Top up)
• BA Theatre Design and Production
• BA Architectural Glass Arts
• BA Glass
• BA Glass in the Public Arts
• BA Glass with Product Design
• BSc Architectural Technology & Glass
• Diploma in Foundation Studies - Art and Design
• MDes Architectural Glass Arts
• MDes Glass
• MDes Glass in the Public Arts
• BA Art Practice (Health and Wellbeing)
• BA Social Inclusion: Health and Social Care
• BSc Health and Social Care
• BSc Health Informatics
• BSc Health Management
• BSc Health, Nutrition and Lifestyle
• BSc Personal Training (Health & Exercise)
• BSc Sport Therapy
• BA Ancient History and Heritage Studies
• BA Ancient History with Heritage Management
• BA Anthropology with Heritage Management
• BA Archaeology and Heritage Studies
• BA Archaeology with Heritage Management
• BA Chinese Studies and Heritage Studies
• BA Chinese Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Classical Studies & Heritage Studies
• BA Classical Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Creative Writing and Heritage Studies
• BA Creative Writing with Heritage Management
• BA English and Heritage Studies
• BA English with Heritage Management
• BA Heritage Studies
• BA Heritage Studies and the Built Environment
• BA Heritage Studies with Digital Humanities
• BA Heritage Studies with Museums & Archives
• BA Heritage Studies with Nautical Archaeology
• BA History and Heritage Studies
• BA History with Heritage Management
• BA Medieval History with Heritage Studies
• BA Medieval Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Modern Historical Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Philosophy and Heritage Studies
• BA Philosophy with Heritage Management
• BA Religious Studies and Heritage Studies
• BA Religious Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Theology and Heritage Studies
• BA Theology with Heritage Management
• BA Ancient History with Education Studies
• BA Ancient History, History, Education Studies
• BA Chinese Civilisation and Medieval Studies
• BA Classical Studies, History, Education Studies
• BA Conflict and War
• BA English and History
• BA English, History, Education Studies
• BA History
• BA History and Ancient History
• BA History and Anthropology
• BA History and Archaeology
• BA History and Heritage Studies
• BA History and Theology
• BA History with Digital Humanities
• BA History with Education Studies
• BA History with Heritage Management
• BA History, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Medieval History with Heritage Studies
• BA Medieval Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and History
• BA Medieval Studies and Modern Historical Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and Anthropology
• BA Medieval Studies and Archaeology
• BA Medieval Studies and Chinese Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and Classical Studies
• BA Medieval Studies and English
• BA Medieval Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Medieval Studies with Latin
• BA Modern Historical Studies
• BA Modern Historical Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Philosophy and History
• BA Philosophy and Medieval Studies
• BA Philosophy, History, Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies, History, Education Studies
• BA Ancient Civilisations
• BA Conflict and War
• BA English with Digital Humanities
• BA Environmental Studies
• BA Heritage Studies
• BA Heritage Studies with Digital Humanities
• BA Heritage Studies with Museums & Archives
• BA Humanities
• BA Ancient History and Heritage Studies
• BA Ancient History with Heritage Management
• BA Anthropology and Heritage Studies
• BA Anthropology with Heritage Management
• BA Archaeology and Heritage Studies
• BA Archaeology with Heritage Management
• BA Chinese Studies and Heritage Studies
• BA Chinese Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Classical Studies & Heritage Studies
• BA Classical Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Creative Writing and Heritage Studies
• BA Creative Writing with Heritage Management
• BA English and Heritage Studies
• BA English with Heritage Management
• BA Heritage Studies
• BA Heritage Studies and the Built Environment
• BA Heritage Studies with Digital Humanities
• BA Heritage Studies with Museums & Archives
• BA History and Heritage Studies
• BA History with Heritage Management
• BA International Travel and Tourism Management
• BA Leisure Management
• BA Medieval History with Heritage Studies
• BA Medieval Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Philosophy and Heritage Studies
• BA Philosophy with Heritage Management
• BA Religious Studies and Heritage Studies
• BA Religious Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Theology and Heritage Studies
• BA Theology with Heritage Management
• BA Musical Performance
• BSc Music Technology
• BSc Music Technology Audio Production
• BSc Music Technology Game Audio
• BSc Music Technology Sound for the moving image
• BA Acting
• BA Applied Drama
• BA Dance
• BA Musical Performance
• BA Performing Arts (Contemporary Performance)
• BA Technical Theatre (Top up)
• BA Theatre Design and Production
• reative Writing and Philosophy
• BA English, Philosophy, Education Studies
• BA Philosophy
• BA Philosophy and English
• BA Philosophy and History
• BA Philosophy and Medieval Studies
• BA Philosophy and Theology
• BA Philosophy and Anthropology
• BA Philosophy and Chinese Studies
• BA Philosophy and Classical Studies
• BA Philosophy and Heritage Studies
• BA Philosophy with Education Studies
• BA Philosophy with Heritage Management
• BA Philosophy with Psychology
• BA Philosophy, Ancient History, Education Studies
• BA Philosophy, Anthropology, Education Studies
• BA Philosophy, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Philosophy, Classical Studies, Education Studies
• BA Philosophy, History, Education Studies
• BA Philosophy, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Philosophy
• BA Digital Film & Television Production
• BA Digital Film and Television Production (4 years)
• BA Documentary Video
• BA Film and Visual Culture
• BA New Media Production
• BA Photography in the Arts
• BA Photography in the Arts (4 Year Programme)
• BA Photojournalism
• BA Photojournalism (4 Year Programme)
• BA Video Arts
• BA Counselling Studies and Psychology
• BA Philosophy with Psychology
• BA Religious Studies with Psychology
• BSc Applied Psychology
• BSc Counselling Studies and Psychology
• BSc Psychology
• BA English, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA History and Theology
• BA Philosophy and Theology
• BA Philosophy, Religious Studies, Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Anthropology
• BA Religious Studies and Chinese Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Heritage Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Islamic Studies
• BA Religious Studies and Philosophy
• BA Religious Studies and Theology
• BA Religious Studies with Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies with Heritage Management
• BA Religious Studies with Psychology
• BA Religious Studies, Archaeology, Education Studies
• BA Religious Studies, History, Education Studies
• BA Theology
• BA Theology and Heritage Studies
• BA Theology and Religious Studies
• BA Theology with Education Studies
• BA Theology with Heritage Management
• Graduate Diploma in Bible and Theology
• BA Social Inclusion
• BA Social Inclusion (Inclusive Education)
• BA Social Inclusion: Additional Needs
• BA Social Inclusion: Communities, Families and Individuals
• BA Social Inclusion: Health and Social Care
• BA Health & Exercise and Sport Studies
• BA Outdoor Education
• BA Physical Education
• BA Sports Management
• BEng Extreme Sports Engineering
• BEng Extreme Sports Engineering (4 Year)
• BSc Health, Nutrition and Lifestyle
• BSc Personal Training (Health & Exercise)
• BSc Sport Therapy
• BA Advertising and Brand Design
• BA Film and Visual Culture
• BA Graphic Design
• BA Illustration
• BSc Visual Effects
BA Management Skills for the Workplace
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I've got all of these and I have a great big fat dick too...so ner :)
 
PGFWhite said:
I have a degree - and I would easily get a degree in law. That's a fact for you <ok>
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Yes - because the law is so easy - what is your degree PGF? It must be a great one given your contempt for every other degree! 'I would easily get a law degree'!!! My God - you are so clever!
 
PGFWhite said:
I have a degree - and I would easily get a degree in law. That's a fact for you <ok>
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Disagree here. I had flat mates/room mates who studied for a law degree and worked their arses off for it. Shame you have such contempt for degrees.
 
<doh> It's not about whether degrees are good or not its a fact that there are far too many people have them now that render them worthless for the majority who have them. that is the issue. There are thousands of lawyers and solicitors working in bars and low paid jobs because there is not enough vacancies to cope with the demand. You can become a solicitor or any other qualification with letters after your name but if you are not practicing or actually employed in your chosen profession then them letters after your name mean jack ****...
 
ValleyGraduate12 said:
Disagree here. I had flat mates/room mates who studied for a law degree and worked their arses off for it. Shame you have such contempt for degrees.
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It's not contempt - it's a fact. Academics tend to be suited to particular types of subject depending on the learning processes required. Maths or the traditional sciences such as chemistry, biology or physics would be a different issue <laugh> The contempt shown in the last few posts is by graduates who appear to think they are super human because they have passed a few exams.

Problem solving techniques and/or the ability to apply learning, rather than the ability to pass exams parrot fashion, are far more valuable assets to an employer. (Before anyone jumps to conclusions I have not just stated that ALL exams can be passed by parrot fashion recital - but there are plenty that can).

There are many extremely clever lawyers. Conversely there are plenty of members of the legal profession who simply cannot apply the basic principles of their chosen profession. They have passed exams, but they are unable to apply their learning to the real world. Just because they are graduates does not mean they are clever people.

A degree of common sense goes a long, long way <laugh>
 
Problem solving techniques and/or the ability to apply learning, rather than the ability to pass exams parrot fashion, are far more valuable assets to an employer. (Before anyone jumps to conclusions I have not just stated that ALL exams can be passed by parrot fashion recital - but there are plenty that can).
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thats the basis of a law degree, which sets it apart from other humanities. if you aren't capable of thinking for yourself then you won't do very well. by the way, i could have done maths or engineering, i got A* GCSE and A at level Maths. before you say that means nothing, what did you get?

i bet in the good old days you were studying day and night and were much cleverer than the youth of today. like **** <laugh>

and you still haven't said what degree you did and in what institution. be honest, no porkies please <ok>
 
and dai, forget a micky mouse english degree, with the english and grammar that you display here, you'd struggle to get a B at GCSE english.
 
Swamp said:
thats the basis of a law degree, which sets it apart from other humanities. if you aren't capable of thinking for yourself then you won't do very well. by the way, i could have done maths or engineering, i got A* GCSE and A at level Maths. before you say that means nothing, what did you get?

i bet in the good old days you were studying day and night and were much cleverer than the youth of today. like **** <laugh>

and you still haven't said what degree you did and in what institution. be honest, no porkies please <ok>
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Firstly you assume what I am going to say and then you bet what I am going to think. Try sticking to the facts and you may go further in your academic studies <ok>.

I am not going to give you the slightest bit of personal information - I quite frankly don't give two hoots that you may have an A* in any subject - it's irrelevant to the discussion.

You have the nerve to slate off Dai's use of English when, as quoted above, you produce a grammatically deficient post yourself. What did you mention about the youth of today <laugh>
 
what degree you did was clearly nothing to be proud of then. <laugh>

and thats if you did one, which i highly doubt.

as you are so paranoid i suggest you change your location that you have on your profile. i suggest to 'cloud cuckoo land' or 'up my own ass'.
 
I must be really thick because I haven't got a degree in anything. :sad: Got yanked early out of school because my father died young meaning my mother had to go to work in a factory and I had to get a job to supplement our income as we were literally poverty stricken. I still went on to gain two professional qualifications, started my own professional services business and became a published writer etc.

What I do notice about today's education is that it is almost possible to gain a pass on course work alone - but it is almost impossible to know exactly who is responsible for this work; who actually did it. A close friend of mine was struggling with assignments designed to get her into nursing college. To my certain knowledge most of her course work was farmed out to friends and family and she got her pass. To this day, two poems (I hate poetry) of mine still hang framed in the corridors of a local school. My step-daughter was useless so I was prevailed upon, much against my wishes, to sort it out for her. I did a lot of work on her behalf and she got good grades in her exams. Wrong? Of course it is but I knew that other parents were doing the same for their kids, so I elected to even the playing field. Of my own children, one is a talented painter, she hates the term artist, and she got a 2:1 under extremely adverse conditions and the other recently obtained a First Class Honours degree patently refusing any help whatsoever from me. Clever bugger didn't need it. :biggrin:

When I sat exams, no course work of any description played any part whatsoever in your final mark. You had to study, learn and reproduce it all on the day of the exam with NO prior indication of what to expect on the day. 50% got you a pass and 49% meant the big F. Thing is, you had to study and learn/know your subject. You couldn't take your mother, father, auntie, uncle or friends into the examination room with you. You stood or fell on the amount of work you, yourself put in.

In my opinion this is why standards have dipped so alarmingly today. There are people walking about with degrees who never put in the work and have no right to them. There are people in jobs who are patently unqualified to do them because they were not the ones who earned the "qualification" to do them. And I mean no slur or disrespect to those who worked hard, put in the effort and earned their qualifications the proper way. Good for them.
 
to give you an idea about coursework ivor, it depends on the degree but for me it was 4 units, of which there was 25% coursework in one. there is no way of knowing whether that particular person did that work, though if it is of an unusually high standard, not in line with your previous grades, they make you explain it to a panel.

well done to your children for doing well, i'm the same with refusing help, it makes you work things out yourself! <ok>

anyway i'm done here, no doubt PGF will spout more crap after this post but it won't be seen by this highly educated observer&#8230;.<laugh>
 
Swamp said:
what degree you did was clearly nothing to be proud of then. <laugh>

and thats if you did one, which i highly doubt.

as you are so paranoid i suggest you change your location that you have on your profile. i suggest to 'cloud cuckoo land' or 'up my own ass'.
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I think that clarifies everything about the current education system <ok>
 
I agree with ivor here....Left school on a friday started an apprenticeship on the Monday. No bullshit qualifications, no uni needed or wanted just learning to be in the real world of hard work. Joined the RN as a junior marine engineer and spent 19 years climbing the ranks to Chief petty officer marine engineer until i was finally invalided out after the Falklands war where i walked into a job of running my own business of managing the 7 houses i managed to acquire while in the navy.(i own more now) that gives me a tidy income plus a RN pension on top. ....And here we have someone like Swamp who don't know me from Adam slating me off because of my poor grammar who sounds himself like someone who has got no further in life than being a Chief Big Issue seller...<laugh>
 
i know someone who's trying to get in to the royal navy, but they keep rejecting him as he can't get a C at GCSE english. so if you left school in 2014 you probably wouldn't get in to the RN on the basis of your grammar.

its 2014, not 1974. you can't just leave school and start a job the next monday. nowadays a one man job is a one man job, not a three man job as it would have been in the 70's when businesses could lose millions a week subsidised by the taxpayer and dish out jobs left right and centre to illiterate cretins like you.
 
Dai, no need to label swamp a big issue seller, and swamp, no need to call Dai a cretin.
 
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