'Death Crash' goalkeeper released and playing for Swindon

I admire you. I truly wish I could say the same. Keep it up.

{Incidentally, by not drunk do you mean completely sober ? If so, again, you can take real pride in that.}

 

The reasoning is to give the prison authorities leverage ovr their behaviour. Disciplinary offences while in prison can result in the whole period being served. Good behaviour gets you out early.

And as to why sentences are generally shorter than many people think is appropriate, ti's basically down to the number of cells and the number of criminals competing to be sent into them. The higher the demand and hte lower the supply, the more there is sort of crime inflation: where you used to be able to buy a nice 10 year sentence with a GBH, now it requires atttempted murder, etc.

The solution of course is to build more jails, but they're really expensive and no one wants them in their neighbourhood

 

Of course he should. Say you're a binman and the same thing happens, would you expect to not be able to get a job as a binman if you had committed a similar crime, then been released? Obviously it was a very poor decision he made, but he has served his time relating to that. Whether you think he has served enough time is a different matter, but certainly not relevant to what occupation he should choose on release. And it matters not that football is a very priviledged occupation, because I'd say the same about any high earning occupation.

We have a problem in this country in accepting what footballers earn. Its understandable given the figures but pointless. We then apply the same pointless rationale to situations like this. Personally once someone is released from prison having served their time, I want them to get themself a job to start contributing and integrating back into society. If that job is football, so be it.

 

If you get behind the wheel of a car after drinking and kill someone you're not a murderer in the legal sense in that you lack the intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm. You're reckless and your reckless act has led to a death....i.e. involuntary manslaughter. Nevertheless, the fact that you have shown such reckless disregard for other people should i think be punished accordingly. Three years for taking two young lives is scandalous. He's basically received 1.5 years for each of the boys that he killed. I'm all for reintegration of offenders into society but that is simply disgraceful. I'll say it again...he got behind the wheel knowing full well that he had been drinking and what could happen. He took two young lives. For that the book should have been thrown at him.

 

As I say you could argue the length of his sentence (some would some wouldn't). That is fair enough but it has nothing to do with him resuming his football career on release. One he served whatever sentence the justice system decides, then he should be allowed to do whatever occupation he likes.

 

I've got nothing against him resuming his career as a footballer because the crime isn't linked in anyway to him playing. However, there are some instances in general where those convicted should not be allowed to resume careers. School teachers convicted of abusing kids/ sleeping with students for example. Sentencing aside, they have abused positions of trust in those instances so it's only right that they should be prevented from doing so again.

 

Agree completely. Once you've crossed those kind of lines, you can't get that trust back. But I'd say there are also exceptions to the rule in terms of taking a job linked to your crime. Say Luke M had wanted to become a driving instructor or an AA adviser on release, I wouldn't have a problem with it. He is very well placed to advise of the dangers of not doing these things responsibly.

It just all depends on the scenario.

 

I think it's all about individual circumstances. Obviously, if an alcoholic driving instructor killed someone and on release wanted to resume their career there would be serious reservations because there will always be a risk that they will drink again and drive. But of course you can't have a blanket ban because it's not taking into account individual cases. Some people have greater willpower and show greater remorse than others. Those same people would probably be far better placed to hammer home the dangers of drink driving.

 

Freddd, i'm shocked by the casual nature you talk about drink-driving in - I lost a young relation to a drink driver and it seems pretty ****ty that this latest fiasco of justice is being so easily accepted.

Let me assure you that were you to lose a loved one to these selfish, thoughtless pricks who get behind the wheel after drinking/taking drugs, you would not be so ready to see a killer back in society so quickly.

I don't have a problem with LM going back into football, no, that's what he does - the fact he only spent a year and a half for each of the young lives he took sickens me to the pit of my stomach.

The message is well known and we all know that it is fundamentally wrong to drink and drive - we all know the risks, and the decent among us will never run the risk of harming innocent people for the sake of a taxi/bus fare.

 

It's not your place to care, nor mine, nor anybody else on here.

I'm not being disrespectful, but I couldn't give two hoots about those boys, just as I couldn't find within me the sheer nerve to pretend I was bothered about Fabrice Muamba back in March.

 

Not being funny but this is a human life we are talking about. Though at the end of the day I would be more upset if it was a family member of mine or a friend.

 

Meh.

 

Firstly I'd like to point out, I think a too short sentence has been served, I hate all this time out for good behaviour nonsense.
All that aside though, rightly or wrongly he has served his sentence and is free to get on with his life, it's just his good luck that he happens to be a professional footballer with the potential to earn a lot of money.

Had he been working in Tescos or some factory somewhere, he would be allowed (perhaps not locally) to live a pretty anonymous life, I think more people will be aggrieved at his earnings rather than his sentence.

 

Go **** yourself you complete loser

Some people may like to rise to your 'wum' posts but believe me, my insults were draped in paper contempt.

<sadlittlelonelymanyouare>

 

Of all the anonymous losers on here, Joker, you were my favourite. I'm utterly heartbroken

Why oh why do you insult me so, just because I feel no emotion towards two ickle boys who died?

 

If we are going out and I'm driving I never drink, me and the wife and friends take turns, but I have seen first hand what drinking and driving does, lost 2 mates through it.

 

All post's have valid points but at the end of the day he has to live with what he did, and If he has a conscious it will be with him every day.

 

There isn't an excuse for drink driving at the end of the day. This case just shows yet again what can happen. If you're that irresponsible that you totally disregard the dangers and the lives of other people then you deserve a life sentence in whatever guise that takes. I personally think that if you do it once and are caught you should be banned from driving for life. But maybe that's just me.

 

Agree with all of this.

Exactly. If the lad had got in his car, been stopped 200 yards down the street and breathalysed he'd just have been banned from driving and no one would care. Personally I think the charges for drink driving should be a lot ****ing higher, rather than waiting for someone to kill a couple of kids and making an example of them. Drink driving should carry an automatic prison sentence regardless of whether you kill someone or not, and there shouldn't be this bullshit loophole about being allowed a pint or two before you're over the limit.

 

This

It shouldn't be a case of legal limits. If you drink...you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car period. If you drink and then decide to drive there should be an automatic life ban and prison sentence if caught. No slap on the wrist and no suspension of 6 months, points on licence bull. Drink driving is one of those crimes that really gets my goat. There is no justification for it whatsoever and when people are killed by selfish b******s who can't say no it just makes you sick when they get no proper punishment.