He is a man who is under serious pressure and to me looks totally out of his depth. His after match interview last night was laughable how childish and off the mark he was. Don't think he was watching the same game as me.
It ws wonderful to see Giggs whinging like a spoiled child. For years Man Utd players have believed they could referee their games and have bullied the officials knowing their manager was on the sidelines approving of their actions and joining in. Moyes tries to pull off the 'Fergie foxtrot' on the touchline but clumsily keeps tripping himself up ........ definitely wouldn't get a SEVEN from Len would he
Spot on Apone. It was a definite foul (and probably a yellow card) on Fletcher for the first goal. It certainly looked a foul at full speed on Johnson. I notice Moyes never mentioned the fact that Rafael committed 2 yellow card offences after his yellow card and didn't get another. Must've missed that one in front of the dugout 20 yards from him!! The constant whinging and moaning from Giggs, Evra and Carrick as well! The bloke's a prick. Got no time for him or Utd any more - 2 games we've played them now and dislike them more than ever - They used to be my "second team" so to speak but can;t stand him in charge or the way the players go on. Jozy Altidore got booked for a little shove last night - yet Rafael kicked someone (worse than Cattermole's sending off against Hull with the same ref) and didn;t get anything.
He's floundering isn't he .......... he's more out of his depth than that lass who fell off the ferry and, I reckon, she had a better chance of survival. I'd love him to get a touchline ban for the 2nd leg and see Ferguson sitting next to him patting him on the head
Here's hoping he is still floundering and whinging about referees after the 2nd leg too. I reckon defeat to us and failure to get through the European games will see Moyes explode under the pressure. Watched that interview again this morning and had to chuckle at the embarrassment of it.
By that logic Brendan Rogers and Michael Laudrup are both better managers than Martinez... and they're not. Moyes built a platform for Martinez to work from, it has worked very well so far and I hope it continues for them. Moyes lost Rooney permanently who was by all accounts a far better player than Fellaini and Moyes bought Baines from Wigan and developed him into the player he is today, he also never had the luxury of a devastating striker like Lukaku. There's no chance Everton will keep hold of him permanently. Moyes is doing my head in a bit though, I still can't get over him clearing out a great group of coaches and replacing them with Phil Neville and co.
Could Sir Alex Ferguson be about to return as Manchester United Manager? http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/1...point-sir-alex-ferguson-as-old-trafford-boss/
That isn't my entire logic. You can't just take one comment, about a complicated situation, and claim that's my entire argument. You could also throw two other inescapable facts into the argument, for good measure, if you like. 1) Moyes has taken the champions of England and made them worse, possibly the worst they've been for many years. 2) Martinez has taken the team that finished 24 points behind them, lost their best player, and still taken them above Man Utd. IMO Man Utd were totally wrong to allow Ferguson to bring in his little pal, Martinez would've done a better job. After all he's won more than Moyes has in his entire career as a a manager .......... only joking but you get my drift I hope.
Fair enough, you can look at it that way pal but it's only as clear as you make it. I think drawing comparisons at this stage is fairly irrelevant, although I won't argue Martinez currently looks like a better manager and Everton fans will be more than happy with the way it's panned out! Moyes does not have the benefit of Paul Scholes, although the guy was 38/39 years old he was the creator, the game changer, the controller. Fergie also benefited in his last season from a fully fit Robin Van Persie, he had Michael Carrick at the very top of his game and Rooney was on the injury table a lot less. Take Lukaku, Mirallas, Baines and Barkley for example out of the equation for Martinez and there's no chance in hell he'd have Everton where they are; you are overlooking the injuries to our squad. Also, the season isn't over so I don't see what the relevance of the points gap is. I do think Moyes is responsible for a lot of the misfortune of the club though, I think he was stupid to clear out the coaches and he's paying for it now.
FA looking into comments made by Manchester United manager about officials and also investigating fans for throwing flares at Sunderland The FA is looking into David Moyes's comments about "having to play the opposition and the officials" after Manchester United's 2-1 defeat at Sunderland in the first leg of the Capital One Cup. The United manager was furious about incidents that led to the Sunderland goals - a free-kick awarded by Andre Marriner in the build-up to Ryan Giggs's own goal and a controversial penalty for a perceived foul by Patrice Evra on Adam Johnson, which Fabio Borini converted. "I feel we are having to play the opposition and the officials," said Moyes. "They gave a free-kick ont he first goal that I couldn't believe. "Maybe I have got to understand that's what happens at Manchester United - they are certainly not giving us much at this moment in time. "For the penalty the linesman gives it, but he can't see through Patrice Evra. The referee is looking right at it and is in a very good position - not too close, not too far away, but he turns around. The linesman gives it. “I just think it is incredible when you think we didn’t get one the other week for the [Hugo Lloris] challenge against Tottenham. It’s hard to take, it really is.” Moyes could face a fine and a touchline ban if the FA charges him with misconduct. The FA is also investigating flares thrown by United fans in the away end. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Manchester-Uniteds-defeat-at-Sunderland.html
It's not me that's trying to make anything clear ........... the facts are clear, Moyes has presided over a 28 point reversal in the two teams. Of course it's relevant to make comparisons, what else is there, this is a forum for such things. I'm surprised you're trying to play the 'injury card' tbh. Carrick played better under Ferguson because he's a better manager than Moyes, simple as that. Many United players seem to have lost form under Moyes whereas Ferguson got the best out of some players who weren't necessarily that great. Was Fellaini brought in to replace him, I don't know tbh. I'm not ignoring Man Utd's injuries at all, every team has them including Ferguson's title winners as you well know. At Everton Baines has been injured and Fellaini, their best player for years, has gone for good. Sunderland lost their best striker last night and went on to win, that's life. Moyes knew he was inheriting an ageing squad but could only look to Everton for replacements. He completely ****ed up the transfer window although I think potential signings were probably put off for two reasons. They knew that United's squad isn't that great and the new manager had never won a thing, worth getting excited about, in his entire footballing career. As for the 'the creator, the game changer, the controller' ........... from memory I reckon he played less than half of the games last season so he wasn't that vital to winning the league was he?
You couldn't make it up could you If he gets a touchline ban do you think Fergie will sit in the dugout?
Firstly, I'm not fighting Moyes' corner for him being a top manager, he was an underwhelming appointment yet typical of United. Moyes was compared to Martinez by yourself and you said he has 'turned Everton into a better team than Moyes ever managed', that's my only query here, nothing to do with United and how well Moyes is doing at United. Moyes qualified for Champions League football with Everton with a James McFadden and James Beattie strike force, that's irrelevant for me, they both started off with different parameters. If you wanted to prove Martinez was better than Moyes, he won a cup with Wigan mate, Moyes has never won a thing. It's not a fact that Moyes has presided over a 28 point swing at all, we didn't start off the season on +24 points over Everton and they've caught up, for that 'fact' to be remotely relevant it would have to be after 38 games. Paul Scholes even being on the training ground with these players helped them massively, but he contributed to our title winning season a lot too, City were cut adrift and we could afford to blood in the terrible Cleverley. I've said it a lot but releasing the coaching staff has ruined what could have been a good start for Moyes, they got the best out of Carrick, Meulensteen in particular. I'm off anyhow, enjoy your day lads (and girls if there are any).
I think half the problem is he (SAF) still is sitting in the dugout and thats having a negative effect on the players and Moyes himself.
The scary thing is that the ref saw the penalty incident clearly and chose to ignore it, and it was the linesman who had to act to give what was a certain clear cut penalty. The ref then chose to take no action in what should have been a clear sending off. How on earth he could say the assault on Fletcher was not a foul is beyond reason...Conclusion: the man has lost the plot, but I fear that we will get every decision on earth against us down their place..
I think he's got a point. The Swansea game was a goo example of it. Now SAF has gone it's proved the theory that he had a hold over officials to be true. Must people hate Man U and so do the refs as that hold over officials just isn't there any more. Our game wasn't an example to prove his point as Marriner obviously hate us with a passion. But I think Moyes is right but I don't care, if anything it tells me how much better it is for football that SAF is out of the game. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=676412079066360&set=vb.513826171991619&type=2&theater
