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Highly amicable until I arrived

 

You do have that affect. tbh I totally expected you to make a tardy post saying it was all cack, or I am full of cack. So no shocks there.
#predictable

I know you would have posted something sooner if you weren't dealing with a delicate Emerdale Farm situation as well as roaming the country getting barred from places.

#RowdyScientistwithatroublefetish

 

Ah confirmation, is there anything sweeter.

If you can't work that out then I have little faith in your abilities, well abilities other than falling over, getting barred, hating Badgers and occasionally turning into Kane Dingle.

 

Organised religion may well start with 'these are the rules' but not all people of faith follow or belong to an organised Church. For many it starts with a belief that there is something bigger than ourselves out there. IT has many names and for some none at all. If you read back I posted about spirituality [each of us seeking inner peace] which is free of culture, time and religion.

I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it. For you it's a logical process, for me it isn't.

If you don't believe we were created by God where did we come from - evolution from monkeys seeing as we share a large % of DNA with them. Where did the monkeys come from? If we are here by chance then why are humans any more special than other animals?

I can't remember now who said 'if God has always been there, why can't the universe have always been there?' - I think science has proven [in whatever way science proves these things] that the universe is about 15 billion years old, therefore it isn't eternal.

 

In true MITO fashion.

1. You know my views.

2. The other business is WAY beyond anything Emmerdale ever kicks up.

3. That's the first pub I've been banned from in 3 decades

 

we all originate from alien species somehow

not religious my self, but i watch ancient aliens and they go on about how they managed to construct these huge temples etc without help, ie before technology and we wasn't that much advanced from caveman, some techniques used 100 of years ago we can just about manage now days, ie need extreme heat to bond things etc, how did they manage this? or the actual weight of rocks ie 50 odd ton rocks moving them miles?

something could have crashed into earth 10,000k odd years ago or whenever man was first created. think they have found human remains going back 10k ie buried in the icecaps and only discovered it because of the effect of global warming and the ice melting, different theories about how we exist and where we came from , even the programme about mermaids that was assumed to be a fairy tale(is it? well there are question marks), reckon we evolved from the water.

jb, when you say universe, isnt that referring to what we know of as to regards of the universe (ie big bang theory etc), it expands too far for us to ever apprehend what is truely going on.

 

The most complex object in the known universe is the human brain.

jenners sounds like he's quoting from 'Cortez the Killer' by Neil Young

 

jenners - it's the cyclical argument of an infinite being [God] creating what we know as the universe v if nobody created God, maybe nobody created the universe [what we know to be everything that exists]. Science [?] has dated the universe, so that side of the argument doesn't hold up.

You watch ancient aliens??

 

i dont quote no ****er rhc, just myself neil young and cortez the killer, no idea what you are saying, look it up and get back to you lol

jb,

i watch a lot of things that challenge your way of thinking.

morgan freeman and through the wormhole was a good watch

 

Just look up the lyrics to Cortez the Killer

 

just seen them,

thought i was reading a poem to start with, have to see what it sounds like later

seen lyrics to other songs that seems that way, and the music brings it together and it makes sense.

wish all the women were beautiful, some right ugly ****ers on this planet although i am no brad pitt (if he is still considered what all/most women want?)

 

The part I was referring to was the Aztecs building their pyramids, moving massive stone and in the process, doing something "we still can't do today"

 

oh ok miss under standing, apoligies.

seen a lot programmes to do with pyramids aztecs and how thy was supposedly built etc, even watched a programme the other day about the race that was there before the aztecs, and they are still baffled to this day how these people lived on the side of rock faces that are miles up (no exaggeration) in little caves that today we struggle with guide ropes etc, how did they manage it with just their feet and hands?

bloke who done it though some dr, he was the first person that would have stepped inside these caves for over 500 odd years, must be quite a surreal experience, and because they are so high up treasure hunters grave robbers etc havent managed to get to them because of how high they are, ad the skeletons were still there intact.

also science is trying to work out how they have survived so well, ie elements, must have been something in the caves we don't know of yet that has preserved them.

tell you one thing, we need to stop wasting all this ****ing money on unnecessary wars etc and put the ****er into science and really understand what the **** is going on, on our own planet first before we worry about ruddy space!

 

Can't go along with your reasoning there, JB. To cite evolution from monkeys as an example of our descent is like me describing my breakfast as the whole history of my life. It goes back much further than that and is logically traceable back to the bacteria that were the only life form 3 billion years ago.
You might choose not to trust that line of thinking, but it's much more complex than saying we're descended from monkeys and leaving it at that.

As for your last paragraph the argument goes more like this:
Q: "If God created the Universe, then who created God?"
A: " God was not created, God has always been"
Q: " Well, if you can believe that God has always existed, why is it not possible that the Universe has always existed?"

There is no answer, there is only belief.

The current observations of the Universe suggest a life of 15 billion years in its present form. Nobody knows what might have happened before the Big Bang, and as far as I'm aware, no serious scientist even pretends to know ( you could try the Cyclic Universe theories). That's what they're trying to work out.
The existence of God answers all of these questions. Unfortunately it poses just as difficult a problem in their stead.

 

Nicely rounded post

 

So do I mate. I'm of the view that unless and until you challenge your beliefs they aren't worth much.

 

My wifes mate husband wrote a book on how he thinks they moved stone for the pyramids

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Pyramids-Egypt-Really-Built/dp/1846247349


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJcp13hAO3U

 

Can he also tell us who we'll be signing in the summer?

 

I wouldn't have thought so, he's into rugby

 

You do know I wasn't suggesting we evolved from monkeys!

The Big Bang is contentious in itself, as there's no proof of that either, it is one plausible theory, nothing more. I like to think I have an open mind and I do watch programmes and read books/articles that try to disprove God and creation. So far none have convinced me. Sometimes it's like there's a clamour to disprove God's existence, I'm not sure why that is.