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    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    Good article. <ok> The Strong force is a very interesting subject and as much a mystery as Gravity. Gluons play an interesting role that probably holds the key to understanding how the Strong Force behaves. The whole Quark colours thing, relating to how the strong force is exchanged is a bit mind boggling. Though I guess colours are a frequency. My head hurts when trying to think that small <laugh>
     
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    The Arctic melt season has essentially ended nearly a month early. 30% concentration ice is just below the 2006 minimum
    DMI Ocean and Ice services Met Institute Denmark.
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    Melting? The Guardian is screaming that the ice may be gone this year, measurements show gains on previous years.


    15% concentration ice is almost at the 1979-2000 mean
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    Empirical data for you ;) The media are saying the opposite as are the libtards, just like with temp, the measurements don't fit the hysteria. <doh>
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    Lets recap on that..seal and polar bear populations have literally exploded over the past 2 decades and there is quite a lot of ice the too<doh>

    Rapid Arctic ice loss linked to extreme weather changes in Europe and US June 1st 2015 (weather which is not scientifically linked to AGW in any way shape or form the Guardian omits)
    http://www.theguardian.com/environm...d-to-extreme-weather-changes-in-europe-and-us

    Out and out lies as the actual measurements show.

    Back in reality.. in July of 2015
    Worst Ice Conditions In 20 Years Derail Arctic Global Warming Expedition <laugh>
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    http://www.thegwpf.com/worst-ice-co...derails-arctic-global-warming-research-plans/
    #fraud.
     
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    Stock traders get warmed up with agricultural losses from cold weather.
    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3771007

    Food prices are about to go up and up for the next few years.

    Already there has been losses in the US China Russia and Europe. The media will blame global warming but the stockmarkets are basing their gambles off of reality, the increasing cold since 2010 in the Northern hemisphere has hit crops and will hit them more.
     
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    The animation below flashes between the land portion of NOAA’s global temperature map, and their actual measured regions of temperature. Missing areas (like most of Africa, Greenland, Antarctica and Canada) are gray.

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    As you can see, most of their land data is fake because there is no measurements for the grey areas. Then these fraudsters declare it to be the hottest month on record by a couple of hundredths of a degree. FRAUD



    In South America, the IPCC dropped the temps from cold mountan regions and went with "estimate" temps instead. Why are they dropping real measurements for estimates.
     
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    Evolution of a fraud. IPCC 1990 temperature record and the 2001 IPCC temperature record.
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    Delete the medieval warming period because you don't like it, sounds scientific to me.
    #science


    #fraud.
     
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    October 2009, Kevin Trenberth wrote his colleagues:

    "The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate."

    This is what they said in private whilst publicly saying there catastrophic warming on the way.

    The uncertainty is clear yet this uncertainty is not reflected in reports or in the media. The IPCC said there were "no doubts"

    #science
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Views on black hole theories of hawking?
     
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    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    He denied them for years when Susskind suggested them, repeated that information was permanently lost once it entered the event horizon. Glad he's changed his mind!
     
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    We seldom here when Hawking talks utter tosh, he just changes his **** up and goes on like he was never talking bollocks <laugh>

    He lost the argument about whether information is lost in a singularity, a flaccid argument anyway if you don't agree black holes exist, but apparently when a singularity sucks in more information the horizon grows so information is retained.. goes the hypothesis. No one has ever found and verified a black hole after all.

    Hawking has somewhat taken a step back from his earlier singularity concepts, in the theory of everything he made a few pretty basic gaffes that defied physics 101 he must have got so lost in the maths :D. He I am sure also finally admitted to himself at elast that a singularity is not a physical thing but just a mathematical dead end brought about by diving by 0. Lets not forget the handy evoking of "infinity" and "near infinity" in mathematics, unquantifiable gibbering in lieu of a proper solution <laugh>

    WTF is near infinity anyway <laugh> Infinity -1? Infinity - 1 billion?. An attempt to quantify a number in reference to an unquantifiable number which makes both numbers unquantifiable. <doh>

    It all still stems from Einstein's field equations and the patchwork on the theories since. Everything is shoehorned into the theory.

    Latest data from scopes show stars that form with only 20% of the mater required by accepted star formation theory, black holes and star formation are the same theory. If one is wrong then both are wrong. Helium stars also have much less mass and are supposed not to have enough mass to actually become a star. Of course these are "mysterious" things and somehow not evidence the theory could be wrong at a fundamental level, or missing something.


    Are you just taking the piss yeah? <laugh>

    I won't pass up a chance to rant <laugh>
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Sorry by approaching infinity is not a made up part of maths is used a lot in integration and differentiation etc.

    And why does everyone on the stupid site think I'm taking the piss?


    The whole basis of science is not to fit the evidence to the theory but to test the hypothesis against the evidence and change the hypothesis.
     
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    At last someone says it. A theory is just that, it is accepted when it fits most situations, anomaly's are further investigated as to why they don't fit the theory or discredit it.
     
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    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    I'm confused. I think it's good science that Hawking has changed his position. In fact, over forty years he's changed a lot on black holes, as further evidence has emerged. Nevertheless, it's doubtful we'd have got as far as we have without Hawking's lifetime's work. Even Susskind recognises that.

    Scientific progress in action. I do fret about the holographic universe and the implications of instant, faster-than-light communication produced by entanglement though, primarily because I don't (want to?) understand it. Are we a computer programme? Is God a geek with too much time on His hands, and any moment now his mum is going to shout for him to turn that bloody laptop off and come down from his bedroom to have his tea. He's got no mates, never goes out and spends all day up there, you know? Won't let his mum clean his bedroom either as it's full of used tissues, doobie stubs and a poster of that UFO from the X-Files with "I want to believe" on it. :emoticon-0108-speec
     
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    Well unfortunately everything gets shoehorned into dogmatic theory now, be it astrophysics or man made global frauding, if new evidence doesn't fit into a theory, even with a shoehorn, they call it "mysterious" and "unexplained" and never ever call it evidence they might be wrong ;)
     
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    Ha ha yesssss! <applause> I often see it as a kid who started a science experiment which he forgot about until his mum tells him to clear under his bed at which point he finds the bag, looks inside to see a mess which has grown out of control and goes "Urrrghh!" before crushing it under his feet and throwing it in the bin!

    Or this...

     
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    You are confusing scientific method with science the institution, the method is truth, the institution is a victim of human nature, group think, dogma and outright dishonesty.
    Lets take the thermonuclear model of the sun.

    The model maks no sense. Nuclear fusion creates heat at the core and passes it outwards. The hottest part of the sun so far detected is it's atmosphere or Chromosphere with the surface only between 5000 and 10.000 degrees with the Chromosphere in millions of degrees.

    Solar wind also defies the thermonuclear model.
    Solar cycles also defy the theory, cycles of UV Xrays and co on with the multiple solar cycles.
    No solar wind at the poles of the sun, also defies the model.
    Equator rotates faster than the poles, also not explained by the theory
    So do the magnatic fields and some other observations. None of it explained by the thermonuclear model, a model they have not been able to recreate in the lab in any way shape or form, other scientific disciplines have recreated their model of the sun in the lab.

    Add to that competing theories are ignored because they do not fit, like the many plasma physics predictions that actually account for these things we can observe.

    So, we have two theories for the sun. One from mainstream solar physics and astrophysics and another for Plasma physics.
    The plasma physics can recreate a plasma sun, and have accounted in their theory for pretty much almost everything we can observe.
    Thermonuclear theory needs parallel hypothesis like "the solar dynamo" to "patch" thermonuclear theory to observations.

    The solar dynamo is 100% purely hypothesis that creates a bridge between thermonuclear theory and observations ergo. This patching allows inconvenient observations to be shoehorned into a theory.

    There is vast amounts of patching hypothesis in astrophysics when observations do not match existing theory and the community is utterly inept at accepting new theories that go againt the grain of what is considered established theory.

    There is bags of observational evidence now that accretion theory is wrong, yet it is still accepted as how the solar system formed.<doh>

    Stars forming with only 20% of the mass density needed, helium stars cannot be with accretion theory and gravity alone.

    Then there is just outright denial, like Quasars and Redshift. There are quasars with very different red shift, they are bridged by a plasma, visibly connected.
    What does NASA do, realse an article saying that the plasma bridge between quasars is an "optical illusion" and release a photo to show tehy are not linked... but when you copy said photo and change the gamma in a photo editor, you can see the plasma bridge connecting quasars even though red shift (the corner stone of big bang and inflation thoey) says they should be billions of lightyears away from each other.
    The NASA image which is intentionally misleading.
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    Run the image through some filtering and you can clearly see what NASA intentionally hides.
    Halton Arp 1 - 0 NASA. Thing is this photo, is evidence that Red shift may not be right, if red shift was wrong, the astrophysics wprld would be turned upside down.

    This observation backs Harp's theory that quasar galaxies eject new quasars. Of course the life's work of many a current astrophysicist would be null and void should this become accepted, that just will not do. Quasars have intrinsic redshift, it has nothing to do with how fast they are travelling away from a radioscope.
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    In 2005 the IPCC said we will see 50 million climate refugees by 2010. There was 0.

    IPCC methane forecasts, reality is the dotted line below the model predictions.
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    CO2 level forecasts from the IPCC. Again, be afraid, very afraid.
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    Dunno seems like a pattern of alarmism delusion and out and out lies.

    Temperature
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    Don#t get me wrong, you can make mistakes but strangely the mistakes are always 100%+ in the alarmist direction, am sure it has nothing to do with keeping the funds flowing, 30+ billion to date.
    #Fraud
    #Lysenkoism
     
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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Michigan Newspaper Claims the Large Hadron Collider Is Being Used as a "Stargate"
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    Bad news, citizens of Earth: those evil physicists at CERN are once again hellbent on vaporizing the Earth and ending the universe as we know it as the Large Hadron Collider ramps up to unprecedented energies. That’s according to Lonnie Robinson, intrepid correspondent/prophet of doom for The Daily Reporter in Coldwater, Michigan, who sees the signs of our imminent destruction everywhere he looks (including The Simpsons). He even pegs the specific day on which we can probably expect global annihilation: September 24, 2015.

    The good news: Lonnie Robinson is full of ****.

    Seriously, I am baffled that this article ever found its way into The Daily Reporter. At first I thought it had to be The Onion or a similar satirical site, but no — it’s an actual newspaper. Were the editors asleep at the wheel? Because the stupid, it burns.

    Never mind that the piece is rambling, incoherent and sub-literate, or that Robinson is so ignorant about science that he talks about “molecular particles,” and doesn’t know the difference between dark matter and antimatter. These are words that Robinson actually wrote, and presumably some editor at The Daily Reporter approved:

    “Two of the major goals for CERN is to collapse and break apart the God Particle that creates and maintains our physical world and to tear a hole through the veil that is the barrier protecting our physical universe from the unknown, non-physical universes and other non-physical dimensions believed to be located outside our physical universe.... CERN destroys matter, and everything in our universe is matter. Destroying physical matter eliminates the restrictions and barriers produced by physical matter that keeps us from entering the non-physical universes around us.”

    There is so much wrong in that short excerpt, it’s not even worth debunking. This is the full-on crazy mode of the hardcore conspiracy theorist, made crystal clear by this little gem:

    “CERN is being used as a stargate, so that human scientists will be able to go to and from currently unknown, perhaps very hostile, non-physical worlds and dimensions located and currently unseen, outside our physical universe.”

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    Wait, what? Does James Spader know about this? Note to Robinson: TheStargate franchise is not a documentary. And neither was Interstellar.

    This is a level of crackpot hysteria rarely encountered outside of conspiracy message boards. It honestly makes me long for the good ol’ days, when folks were panicked about the Large Hadron Collider creating mini-black holes or strangelets that would devour all the matter in the universe, and filing frivolous lawsuits in Hawaii. (For the record, CERN maintains a public Websiteaddressing safety concerns relating to the Large Hadron Collider. tl;dr: it’s hella safe and will not destroy the world.)

    Honestly, maybe we shouldn’t even care about an Op-Ed in a small local tabloid by a person with zero scientific credibility who seems to have more than one screw loose. (According to his LinkedIn profile, he is retired from Michigan law enforcement and teaches forensic science and psychological profiling at the University of Phoenix Graduate School. Let’s hope that profile is out-of-date.) But this is the digital age, and misinformation can spread like wildfire across the Internet. And maybe I’m just needlessly amplifying the signal by writing this, but at least there’s one public rebuttal to Robinson’s feverish delusions floating around the ether for some future Googler to find.

    Of course, if CERN really is building a sooper seekrit portal to other parallel worlds, let me be the first to volunteer for the mission.... I hear the fifth dimension is love.

    Top image: Artist’s illustration of radiating black hole. Credit: NASA. Bottom image: MGM/Stargate-SG1.

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    Wait. I’ve seen this episode of NTSF: SD: SUV::.


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    <laugh> ****ing septics <laugh>
     
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    I seen that yeah <laugh> ****ing nuts, these nuts believe we are far more technically and scientifically advanced than we actually are. If said nuts take a few hours to catch up on where particle physics are at, it can't even validate and adhere to it's own standard model let alone create a stargate <laugh>

    Also I seen they are "creating a doorway to hell" or "other dimensions" claims but as soon as you hear the word "god" you tend to check out thereafter.

    These are not skeptics, they are totally scientifically ignorant, they are just watching far too much science fiction though to be fair, those shows are usually first to predict advances in technology decades ahead<yikes> <laugh>
     
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    The Sun and M8+ Earthquakes: The SPF Trigger
    http://spaceweathernews.com/spf/

    Interesting read. Study reveals a dependence of M8.0+ seismicity on the oscillations of the SPF
     
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