Nah I think Burnley want £7m, Liverpool want to pay £4m so they get Spurs to bid £12m and they can say "Well they bid £12m so we can split the difference and call it £7m". I still dont personally see how or why his potential market value should affect Burnley's compensation, if they wanted to get his market value, they should have sold him when he was under contract. They let that contract expire, and now he is leaving for free, they deserve compensation for his training, whatever that cost, NOT his market value.
Plus we had this whole "market value" stuff a while back if I remember correctly, one bid a market rate does not set. Ings owes Burnley nothing, they made a not so small fortune from his services
Yes. And then Ings can sue the panel for illegal restriction of trade. So they won't make the fee large enough to risk that happening. Especially in the current climate of football bodies being investigated.
As the season ends, and clubs begin their recruitment drive for next season, I am increasingly asked (whether in respect of players that we act for, clubs that we advise and work with or – mostly – out of idle curiosity) how the compensation system works. Where a professional player, under the age of 24, has been offered a new contract by his club (subject to certain requirements that the offer must meet set out in Rule 64.3 of the Football League Rules) and he rejects that offer in order to take up the opportunity to sign for another club, compensation will be payable. This is not to be confused with training compensation under the EPPP regime (that applies to Academy players), an entirely different proposition. In the majority of cases, clubs will reach mutual agreement on a compensation fee. However, in others the two clubs’ valuations will differ, sometimes significantly, and the matter will need to be settled through an arbitration process. That process is operated by the Professional Football Compensation Committee (PFCC). The PFCC is incorporated under the rules of both The Football League and Premier League, and forms part of the collective bargaining agreement with the Professional Footballers’ Association. The PFCC comprises of an independent Chairman, appointees from The Football League and Premier League (as appropriate), an appointee of The Professional Footballers’ Association and an appointee of the League Managers’ Association. PFCC hearings require each club to provide evidence to support their valuation of the player in question. In making its judgment the committee will take into account the costs of both clubs in operating a Football Academy or Centre of Excellence, as well as the age and playing record of the player, the length of time he was registered with his original club, the terms offered by both clubs, the status of the two clubs, the substantiated interest shown by other clubs in acquiring the registration of the player and any amounts paid by the original club to acquire the player in the first place. Unlike FIFA’s formulaic approach which provides foreign clubs with a fixed tariff for compensation, this domestic process is said to provide the advantage of allowing greater flexibility in setting the level of compensation according to the merits of each individual case. The counter to that is that – unlike with the FIFA tariff – there is always inherent uncertainty, and this in my experience can work against players ; particularly lower down the Football League where clubs often feel that they can not afford to carry the risk of uncertainty. Or they may simply feel that the signing of a player governed by the PFCC regime is too complex. In deciding on a compensation figure, it is not uncommon for the PFCC to set fees that build as the player becomes more established at first team level. It has now become quite usual for clubs to receive a basic compensation fee with further payments becoming due on the player’s debut, following a certain numbers of first-team appearances and after international appearances. It is also usual for there to be a sell-on fee should the player be sold at a profit at any point in the future. Whilst the system is therefore uncertain, and it is difficult to advise a club or a player with firm precision as to what the likely level of compensation will be (and when acting for a player, this has to be a crucial factor in considering any new contract offer that has been made) I tend to use the following five PFCC decisions as a framework (as they cover a good range of players in terms of their ability and status as at the point of the dispute). Even though each case will be different, in one’s submissions to the PFCC it would be perfectly proper to rely upon these precedents. GEORGE PORTER Porter had made 34 league appearances for Leyton Orient between the age of 18 and 20. He rejected a new two year contract offer, and instead signed a three year contract with the Championship club Burnley. The PFCC decided that Burnley should pay Leyton Orient an initial compensation fee of £90,000. Additionally, Burnley were to pay Leyton Orient a further £17,500 after the player has made 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances (i.e. a total further potential payment of £70,000). Burnley would also pay Leyton Orient a further sum of £100,000 if Burnley were promoted to the Premier League in the next three seasons and assuming the player remains at the club and had played at least 23 matches in the promotion season. Leyton Orient should receive 16.5% of any profit made by Burnley in selling the player to another club at any point in the future. AARON CRESWELL Aaron Creswell had made 70 or so league appearances for Tranmere Rovers when, aged 21, he rejected a new long term contract offer. He signed for the Championship club Ipswich Town on a three year contract. The PFCC decided that Ipswich Town should pay Tranmere Rovers an initial compensation fee of £240,000. An additional £45,000 was ordered in respect of the player making 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances for Ipswich Town. An additional £100,000 was ordered should Ipswich Town achieve promotion to the Premier League in the next 3 seasons. Tranmere Rovers are to receive 20% of any profit made by Ipswich Town in selling the player to another club at any point in the future. ROBERT HALL Robert Hall had signed a professional contract at West Ham aged 17, and made four first team league appearances for West Ham. He also enjoyed successful loan spells, including in particular at Birmingham City and represented England at under 16 through to under 19 level. Allowing his contract to expire, aged 20 he signed a three year contract at Bolton Wanderers. The PFCC decided that Bolton should pay West Ham an initial compensation fee of £450,000. Additionally, £250,000 will be due if Bolton are promoted to the Premier League in the next 3 seasons £2,500 per appearance was ordered for the first 100 appearances (for Bolton) in the Championship, or £10,000 per appearance for the first 100 appearances (for Bolton) if in the Premier League 20% of any profit made by Bolton Wanderers in selling the player to another club at any point in the future will be payable to West Ham. ANTHONY STRAKER Anthony Straker joined Aldershot aged 18 having been released by Crystal Palace and went on to make in the region of 200 appearances in the Conference and League Two. He rejected a new contract, and aged 22 signed for Southend United on a two year deal. The PFCC decided that Southend United should pay Aldershot an initial compensation fee of £17,500. Additionally, Southend United would pay an additional £5,000 if they won promotion to League One during the two year contract. Southend will also pay Aldershot 20% of any profit it makes from selling the player to another club at any point in the future. JED STEER Jed had spent all of his youth career at Norwich City and turned professional aged 17. He made his first team debut for Norwich City in the FA Cup, away to WBA, in what would be his only first team appearance for the Canaries. He enjoyed successful loan periods at Cambridge and Yeovil Town, and played for England U16, U17 and U19. Jed was regarded by Norwich City as one of the best young goalkeepers in the country. He allowed his contract to expire and signed for Premier League club Aston Villa, immediately becoming their no.2 keeper. The PFCC ordered that Aston Villa pay Norwich City an initial compensation fee of £450,000. Additionally, if Jed represents England Under 21 and the full senior side, Norwich City will be paid a further £225,000. Appearances for Aston Villa trigger further payments, which in total could amount to a maximum sum of £500,000. Aston Villa will also need to pay Norwich 20% of any profit they make from selling the player to another club at any point in the future.
No idea but I'd imagine Liverpool have a rough idea of how much it will cost. We want to pay around £4m, Burnley want around £7m. Theoretically, the tribunal figure should be inbetween. However, we all know the FA like to **** things up to make themselves look like MITO (****s )
The main points are: -Ings wants to play for Liverpool -Ings do not want to go to Tottenham. - Ings out of contract with Burnley -Fair compensation if Burnley and Liverpool cannot reach agreement. -Burnley powerless.
Looking at those, 4m - 6m, some addons for appearances, maybe also if we get CL and he helped, and about 15% - 20% of a sell on fee within a certain amount of years?
I wouldn't be surprised if we get off with less than £4m and Burnley are punished for needlessly rejecting our reasonable offer and bringing the game into disrepute with their Spurs collusion
the article posted is interesting as there seems to be some level of hedging going on. the club taking the guy n seems to get an initial fee payable but there seems to be a lot of appraising success for the club in question and giving more if the player does more. so if LFc too kin the guy and then immediatley loaned him to say oh i dunno west brom just to pick one club. he could fire 30 goals there.. (exaggerating obviously) but would burnely get a penny? what sisu said sounds about right some level of lfc perofrmance like CL or soemthing and then some game based add on.
Who is this sisu you speak of, he sounds awesome. When I was BBF and changed to Sisu, people called me bbf for ages, not I am bbf again and I am called Sisu. Sisu is dead, I killed him.
Interesting to see the signings that Liverpool have made from the perspective of a Southampton fan. Seeing as there is nothing between the two clubs us Saints fans can accuratly gauge the type of quality interested in joining the mighty Saints.
