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Transfer Rumours Curt - "Get a move on, Huw" - aka "Moanfest"

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Taffvalerowdy, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    Think people have the whole "investment" thing confused. I wouldn't have thought that the investors haven't been brought in to pump money into the squad. My thinking of the situation (unconfirmed and just an opinion) is that the situation is something like this:

    WITHOUT INVESTMENT
    £100m = to be spent on wages, squad, infrastructure, stadium.

    WITH INVESTMENT
    £100m= to be spent on wages and squad.
    £investment = to be spent on stadium/infrastructure.

    Our new owners said that they didn't come in to spend their money willy-nilly. Neither are they here to just get their money back. A good investor wants growth and sustainability. Spending uncontrollably isn't a good investment as you have to wait years to get it back. Just "getting your money back" as quick as possible isn't a good investment move as this neglects the growth of the business meaning low return on investment. They are here (in particular, in Swansea) because they want to do it properly - the same way that we got to where we are. The difference is that these guys are used to dealing with millions upon millions of dollars, Huw and the gang are not. That's why they are multi-million pound investors, and we're here twiddling our thumbs questioning their every move.

    By pumping money into the stadium project, that in theory frees up all of the TV money for squad investment. Huw always said that we were at the point where we just didn't have the money for both. With over 70% of our turnover going out in wages, that leaves very little leftover to add to the squad and buy/expand the stadium. If we wanted to buy and expand the stadium, we'd likely not be able to add to the squad for a year or two. Suddenly, because of our investors, Huw doesn't have to worry about the stadium money anymore because the investors are going to pay for it, so he should be able to focus all his efforts on spending the TV and sponsorship money on the squad - something which he seems to be failing to do right now. Either he's too tight, not a big enough name to attract top players, or the players/agents can't understand his accent! Got to get it sorted soon - but I'm glad that Curtis has spoken out. He understands that the fans needed to hear that the squad and coaching staff are frustrated too - and it hopefully gives Huw the kick up the arse that he needed.
     
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  2. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    If not , I'll be in line with you giving my #^+*%#^£ toward the club
     
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  3. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    I like the word 'moanfest' and am going to use it in conversation whenever possible. <cheers>
     
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  4. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    What you say makes sense, but makes absolutely no sense without a good side on the pitch capable of maintaining PL status. So neglect the squad and they are neglecting their investment and so far in a short period of time that is what we doing, pointless having 33,000 seats in the stadium, when you are averaging 14,000 and that is what will happen in The Championship. so having very little left for the squad, to me is very short-sighted.
     
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  5. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    100% agree and I said as such. What I'm trying to point out is that the "extra funds" that Huw is playing with might not be money out of the investors' pocket, and as chairman of Swansea City FC, Huw will hold control over that money's expenditure - especially as the Americans have decided to put their trust in him and keep him as the chief of our club.

    You're right, the Americans will not want to drop a division - although crowd size has nothing to do with that, it's about TV revenue. If an investor is to invest around £50m to buy and then expand the stadium, that frees up £50m of money from other sources (ticket sales, TV revenue, sponsorship, etc.) that we no longer need to spend on the stadium, so Huw needs to get himself together and start getting some decent signings in with that money (not saying spend it all at once, but not saying it needs to last 5 years either), or the Americans will soon see that keeping Huw as chairman is going to be detrimental to their investment.
     
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  6. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    Well crowd thing does have something to do with it as if it didn't why expand the stadium. why spend 30 or so million on expansion if it cant be filled and relegation will assure them of that. Plus the loss of tv money, I agree with all you say but all of that only works with us being in the PL, so you can a nice big new stadium, a commercial department doing superb things with the so called experts no here, but none of it works if we are a championship side, so they have to invest in the playing side, because they stand to lose an awful lot if they don't.
     
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  7. bigkidderz

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    Being competitive on the field is the first and foremost, I do agree. But if we think that they are coming here to spend millions upon millions on our squad, we've got another thing coming. They aren't sugar daddies like many other football clubs have looking to use a Premier League club as a toy, they are serious investors who are looking to employ a sustainable model with our club. One of steady growth and long-term return of investment - not pumping in £100m in Year 1 and if it doesn't work sell up or pump in another £100m.

    The thing that you seem to be missing from my point is this - by investing £50m (example figure) into the club for stadium purchase and expansion, that frees up £50m (example figure) of other funds for spending on the playing squad and wages. So whichever way you look at it, there should be £50m (example figure) available for wages/transfer fees. In other words, however much our stadium costs to expand, that's the amount of money in our budget that gets freed up to be spent on players.

    The crux of the matter is that I genuinely don't feel anyone should be blaming the investors for our lack of activity. If you want to blame the investors, it's got to be for keeping Huw as chairman - but even then, I feel that Huw must have hyped himself up during negotiations to retain chairman duty. Because no matter what way you look at it - whether investment has been aimed at the squad or the stadium - there IS quite a lot of money (whether directly invested or freed up through allocation of funds) available to be spent. Now I agree that it must be spent wisely - if you get given a chunk of money as a result of investment, you don't want to let your investors down and spend it poorly - but I worry that now that Huw actually has the money, he's ****ting his pants about spending it - especially as our new owners have penned him as "the expert".
     
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  8. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    Well lets wait and see what they will be spent on players, I still believe it will be less than last season, despite the increase in revenue, (sky money). I do get what your saying but what I am saying it is all pointless what they do with stadium, commercial side and anything else they want to do, if we get relegated and the way it is going in the transfer market at the moment, we are heading for a very big relegation battle.
     
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  9. Jager

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    I've said from the outset that we will spend £20m-£25m on players in this window, so it's likely to be about that. Even without the yanks the figures would be the same. These yanks are not stupid far from it, but they are not going to endorse tens of millions extra to be spent no matter what some fans want. At the end of the day it's not our money, and making ridiculous demands is frankly not going to work.
     
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  10. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    Relegation fight or not, the only person to blame in my mind for failure would be Huw. He's bigged himself up to them that they've opted to leave him completely in charge of transfer decisions. What you aren't grasping is that the money is already there to be spent - it's not that the investors aren't investing in the right area, that's actually irrelevant (and you'll only understand that concept if you can understand my other posts properly). The money is there, more than ever before, but for some reason the person in charge of the money and the sanctioning the transfers (our very own Huw) is struggling to get any deals done.

    If I had just spent tens of millions buying 68% of a football club and pledged millions more worth of investment, with 2 weeks until the season begins I'd be starting to get twitchy that the chairman I've employed is not going to get the job done. From what's been said in the media, I feel that it might have been a clause in the takeover deal that Huw and Leigh remain untouched for a period of time.

    However - football is a funny game. A couple of signings to hit the ground running and we could be comfortably top-10. Our competition haven't been making any impressive signings really, and our team is Premier League quality. Should we not lose anyone this transfer window, even with just Ayew and Barrow as options up front, we're still heading for between 12th and 15th in my opinion.
     
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  11. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    Mate I am grasping the money is there to be spent, I am not a 2 year old and understand what you are saying. Just because it is there doesn't mean it will be spent, that is the problem, we could have 50m there to be spent. I just don't believe we will spend it. We will spend the same this year as every year and unless they spend the money, Which you have kindly told me 5 times is there on the squad their investment is pointless, because they will own a Championship club and will be worth half what they paid for it. That is what I am saying.

    I have to say you do have a unique way of talking down to people.
     
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  12. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, but from this response your still confused as to what I'm saying. Quite possibly because I'm not explaining myself clearly enough, but I'll stop responding to you because you're getting annoyed.

    Have a good weekend bud :emoticon-0167-beer:
     
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  13. DragonPhilljack

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    <laugh> .........Stop upsetting grumpy, he's not a happy bunny, with no Striker on the horizon.............<laugh>
     
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  14. swanseaandproud

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    Im sorry to say but Guildo, Curtis and the coaches have some blame on their hands also. ...They all say they are worried and make a few comments but they are there on the ground so to speak and are not vocal enough as a combined unit into shaming Jenkins that he is an idiot.....Say it out loud ffs and stop being yes men....
     
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