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The Chaser said:
As a Tim;

Do youse honestly think that David Murray, who operated the scheme on behalf of his Murray Group, would have not bought these players? The same Murray who ladened Rangers with £80m worth of debt. Murray did whatever he wanted as he had the Murray Empire at his back. The scheme was legal and administered by Murray Group incorrectly.

The liability lay with Murray until Craig Whyte decided to take the liability off his hand for one pound sterling.

Rangers did not break the law, HMRC looked at it retrospectively and decided that the staff who were paid via the Trust to avoid tax, should have paid tax.

Looking closer to our Club, Celtic.

Celtic paid Brazilian Juhinho via an EBT - the fact that they paid the tax due does not matter if we are discussing the morality of said scheme.
Celtic couldn't afford Robbie Keane and had to pay his wages via Dermond Desmort - "money they couldn't afford".

Then we look at M'well, Dundee and Hearts, all Hun teams and look how much they bumped HMRC for... fkin Hearts left everycunt penniless and were administered by an Eastern European crime syndicate by all accounts and left Lithuianain tax payers with a bust bank ffs.

Then we go with side-letters... did these make a difference to how well they played or how badly we played? We are already despised in both Poland and Switzerland after being comprehensively beaten by Legia and Sion then getting the result turned around on a technicality which had zero bearing on the results.

Sometimes I am ashamed at being a Celtic fan.

HH
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Hi comrade

In fact Murray used this legal scheme illegally. Technically he didn't use an EBT at all as the money paid out should have been a loan but, as the numerous side letters prove, they were not loans but earnings.

It doesn't matter if Rangers COULD have just paid the money. They, in full knowledge of what an EBT was, hid earnings from the tax man. To do this they had to defraud the SPL by lying in the registration if their players contracts.

Juninho had an EBT. But did he have a side letter?

The side letter or second contract is a major issue in this as without it there is no case.

Thanks bud.
 
The Chaser said:
Can you point to where or whom has said that the scheme was illegal please?

Thanks phal
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Hi m80

EBTs were not illegal.

Kidding on that what Rangers were doing was an EBT, kind of is.

If you earned from an EBT you're doing it wrong.

Thanks muchacho
 
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Thought so... nothing unlawful has taken place, just that the Revenue decided to retrospectively deem that tax was due.

As a proud bead-rattler, stripping titles for admin errors is cheating.
 
The Chaser said:
Thought so... nothing unlawful has taken place, just that the Revenue decided to retrospectively deem that tax was due.

As a proud bead-rattler, stripping titles for admin errors is cheating.
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No mate. You're not getting it. Did you even go to a Catholic school?

The side letters prove that Rangers EBTs were in fact NOT EBTs.

The side letters were not registered so they could defraud the taxman.

Even if every penny is paid back, the side letters exist and Rangers should have faced a 3-0 defeat for every player playing in a match.

Luckily Juninho lost most of his anyway.

Utlr
 
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Mind The Duck said:
No mate. You're not getting it. Did you even go to a Catholic school?

The side letters prove that Rangers EBTs were in fact NOT EBTs.

The side letters were not registered so they could defraud the taxman.

Even if every penny is paid back, the side letters exist and Rangers should have faced a 3-0 defeat for every player playing in a match.

Luckily Juninho lost most of his anyway.

Utlr
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St IRA of the Apostle of Columba born and bred.

The EBT's were in the Holding Company accounts and declared as such.

You still looking to cheat the Huns out of titles due to admin errors? Brilliant stuff, wouldn't expect anything less from a fellow tottie howker :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
EspaniaCelt said:
SJ - again speaking as a Hun: 'I must apologise for some of my so-called 'colleagues' who continue to bury their thick skulls in the sand. As anyone with half a brain cell knows, the courts recently ruled in Her Majesty's Revenue Collectors' favour - thus confirming the fact that the scheme as we used it, was not legal ie that tax should have been paid on it. Instead, Murray surrepticiously used the unpaid tax to fund the players who won the tainted league titles and as we Huns who possess at least half that necessary brain cell well know, those titles should have been stripped from us and we cannot legitimately claim them after cheating in such an underhand way.

It appears that the SPL have now changed their rules to ensure that such 'financial' cheating in future will result in title-stripping which also goes to prove that had these rules already been in place, our tainted titles would have been stripped from us - so in order to maintain our world famous dignity, we should surrender them.


We arra people ... who stole from Her Majesty's Revenue Collectors'
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<applause>
 
The Chaser said:
St IRA of the Apostle of Columba born and bred.

The EBT's were in the Holding Company accounts and declared as such.

You still looking to cheat the Huns out of titles due to admin errors? Brilliant stuff, wouldn't expect anything less from a fellow tottie howker :emoticon-0148-yes:
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Yes mate, Rangers weren't hiding the money. They were pretending they were using EBTs.

You're thinking of money laundering i think.

I dont want to cheat rangers i want to rape their festering corpse.

Gbnfl
 
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In 2013 an SPL commission found that, during the EBT period Rangers players were improperly registered with the governing body.

The governing bodies rules of association regarding the fielding of improperly registered players is clear and has multiple domestic and international precedents

A simple explanation of the decision making process around the non application of the associations rules at the time would let everyone move on in peace, love and harmony.

It can't be that hard, can it? If not for the SPFL, who seem to be unable or unwilling to comment on the actions or omissions of the SPL, then at least one might expect the SFA to have the ability to offer a clear explanation.

Not really sure why we are having irrelevant statements about tax, legal opinion, legal mechanisms or ' punishments'.
 
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