You might not chose to respect and remember the events of 80 years ago, but millions of people including myself do. So no we will 'not get over it'.
Crime - part deux.
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There were also no riots or violent protests after the Yom Kippur killings in Manchester or the stabbings in Golders Green.
I don't think that was brb's point.
It can be a genocide and still be fundamentally different to the Holocaust.
After all, it was the Holocaust that forced the world to add numerous different layers to numerous different definitions of Genocide where previously none had existed.
I didn't say nowt mate, Duggie did and then I liked his comment, my only reaction.
That was quick, the Palestine Action ban has been deemed LAWFUL by the Court of Appeal.
VAR decisions on offside take longer.
There is no 'getting over' what happened 80 years ago - it is unforgiveable and an abhorrent stain on the history of humanity... and should never happen, or be allowed to happen (by those with power to ensure it can't) again.
Genocide by definition comes down to acts of war waged on an entire population with the aim of, or little regard to, extinction - it's not a fight between armed forces on a battlefield ...
It has obviously happened in Gaza where the vast majority of the dead were women and children and an entire population has been displaced.
... and the word hasn't lost it's power or meaning - Genocide is just as abhorrent now as it was back then... and throughout history. It is a raw demonstration of 'Man's inhumanity to man' - one aspect of humanity judging that another is surplus to existence.
I absolutely do respect them
However the only thing to take from them events is to never let it happen again
yet it's happening under our noses yet people are trying to under play it.
The War was fought so this never happens again.
What I don't respect is the moving of the boundaries just because of? one has to wonder what reason?
My thinking is more in line with those people who gave their lives than those that are discussing wether flattening Palestine qualifies under the dictionary term of a Genocide.
Im questioning the thought process of someone who differentiates between what happened in WW2 and what happening in Palestine and the hypocrisy of the thought process.
A tangential point, but that was precisely the problem: Back then, genocide wasn't "abhorrent" to enough people.
In fact the word itself was only coined in 1944 by a Polish Jew.
Didn't pass into international law until 1948.
Geneva Convention didn't expand it until 1949 and again in 1951.
The differences are obvious and it isn't hypocritical to point them out. It also doesn't mean one supports one and condemns the other.
European Jews did not have the capacity to attack or harm Germany and its citizens in any way.
European Jews were not agitating for independence in part of Germany.
European Jews suffered horrific persecution even outside of areas under German control. Fascist parties rose to prominence almost everywhere.
European Jews were not given the opportunity to vote for a peaceful solution to the genocide before it occurred.
European Jews did not have access to a constant flow of funds, donations and aid sent by the rest of the world in higher measure per capita than anyone else alive.
European Jews did not have official representatives on the largest and most powerful political stages in the world.
European Jews didn't have political parties within Germany protesting the genocide.
You might not like it, but the differences are fundamental and impossible to ignore.
You don't see it from a human point of view either mate, which is why you never uttered a peep about the 17,000 Iranians gunned down by their own government, or the 8 million Sudanese currently dying from war and famine.
Get off your high horse before you hurt yourself.
The differences are ... differences - but the actual 'fundamental' that really matters is:
Is there a regime with the power and intent to annihilate an entire community or people?
... because that is the one essential to a genocide...
All politics nothing about being human
I'm on the side of the innocent Jew who suffered the Holocaust and innocent Palestinians suffering the same end fate in the world Today
Once you've done with talking your bollox about drawing lines and definitions it boils down to the same thing
Innocent people getting killed in their masses just because of who they are is all I see and I refuse to down grade it
You say that.
But then unless I'm mistaken I've never once see you speak up about any innocent people getting killed who aren't Palestinians.
So the evidence doesn't support your claim.
Unless you do speak up but not on this forum, which would require some explanation.
It's like Fosse describing Sudan as a bit of internal strife.
He'll never live that comment down because it exposed in one sentence the real hypocrisy in this equation.
Iran guns down 17,000 civilians, a couple of hundred turn up to demonstrate outside their embassy. Israel bombs a hospital, 100,000 march across London.
It is one essential, and Israel itself faces precisely that threat in the form of Iran and its nuclear programme and heavily armed proxies.
Did the European Jews have a state somewhere with an advanced army and crucial geographic influence fighting their corner or funding their fighters?
Last I checked, they didn't.