I don't agree with the behaviour anywhere not just in England. We all have imbeciles in the crowd who yell stupid things. Just expressing that I personally find it poor form regardless of which country or player is involved. Following the week of spirit of cricket talk I suppose I was hoping for better. Naivety on my part probably.
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But deep down, you wish he was playing for you. Don't you?
Come on, admit it. We all have a player or three that we hate and boo because they're so good, but we'll take them in a heartbeat to play for us. Then they'd be our number one favourite, and we'd cheer them with passion and laugh at the boos from opposition crowds.
So boo on. We know what that means.
Jealousy, thy name is England. Just to paraphrase the Bard.
BTW, he served his time for his ball tampering involvement, as did Warner.
You lot are such snowflakes.
This is not directed at anyone just a thought.
I think at some point a player in some sport in some country will take action regarding bullying in the workplace (with regards to 'abuse' from crowds) and the club or ground owner or someone will have to defend how they ensure players safety (mental health wise). Not saying it's good or bad or whatever but I do think at some stage it will happen.
I think at some point a player in some sport in some country will take action regarding bullying in the workplace (with regards to 'abuse' from crowds) and the club or ground owner or someone will have to defend how they ensure players safety (mental health wise). Not saying it's good or bad or whatever but I do think at some stage it will happen.
Hey Ozzie. Even the woke crowd are saying, "What's Ozzie been smoking?"
I think if your scenario were to happen, we'd be back to the Covid days of no crowds.
However, I do recall that booing from the crowd is being monitored at AFL games and, correct me if I'm wrong, also an offence these days with ejection and suspension from attending games being doled out.
Smith is amazing. You couldn’t teach his technique to anyone because it’s so unique and weird. It shouldn’t work.
I was at the Ashes test in the MCG Boxing Day 1986. Bay 13 was savage, more like a football crowd than anything else, and certainly not the charming Barmy Army stuff. They were so rough I think the area has been done away with. I loved it, especially as we whipped them. Also sat in the wrong place in a day/night one dayer in Sydney the next month. Pretty savage as well, until the last over when Lamb scored 18 to win it. By contrast Adelaide was like seeing an Arsenal home game.
All great fun. When you’re winning.
That's the first step lands.
The first player (or coach) to take it to the next level and claim an unsafe workplace will cause a massive upheaval.
The first player (or coach) to take it to the next level and claim an unsafe workplace will cause a massive upheaval.
Next thing you know, your partner will sue you for bad sex.
Oh wait, ...that's divorce.
You may have a point there Ozzie.
'Real fans don’t boo but they’re allowed to boo if they want as long as the booing doesn’t shift from good-natured, free-spirited booing into guttural, hateful booing – much like the racist booing that drove Sydney Swans star Adam Goodes out of the AFL.'
AFL 2023: Lance Franklin booing echoes Adam Goodes and Latrell …
www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/real-footy-fans-don-t-boo-but-trying-to-ban-it-is-just-silly
By Andrew Webster. May 9, 2023.
(I can't tell you the meat of the story because you have to subscribe for the full story).
Who decides what is gutteral, hateful booing? And how do they draw the distinction?
I'm possibly echoing Webster's remarks, but I'll never know because I can't read the article without a subscription (which I think is also silly. But that's the Age's rules).
People have been booing since the Roman times (so Hollywood has led us to believe).
Sure, we don't want booing based on race or sportspeople's colour, religion or sexual preference (I think I've covered everything), but unlike words, how do you determine intent of a boo apart from dislike of the sportsperson or team they represent? (Or, as in many cases, the myopic arbiter in 'control').
I can see your point Ozzie, but I really don't think that situation can be advanced and settled in court of law. Just won't stand up in court, imho.
But hey, funnier things have happened, especially if you think back to the standards of the mid to late 20th century.
AFL 2023: Lance Franklin booing echoes Adam Goodes and Latrell …
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www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/real-footy-fans-don-t-boo-but-trying-to-ban-it-is-just-silly
By Andrew Webster. May 9, 2023.
(I can't tell you the meat of the story because you have to subscribe for the full story).
Who decides what is gutteral, hateful booing? And how do they draw the distinction?
I'm possibly echoing Webster's remarks, but I'll never know because I can't read the article without a subscription (which I think is also silly. But that's the Age's rules).
People have been booing since the Roman times (so Hollywood has led us to believe).
Sure, we don't want booing based on race or sportspeople's colour, religion or sexual preference (I think I've covered everything), but unlike words, how do you determine intent of a boo apart from dislike of the sportsperson or team they represent? (Or, as in many cases, the myopic arbiter in 'control').
I can see your point Ozzie, but I really don't think that situation can be advanced and settled in court of law. Just won't stand up in court, imho.
But hey, funnier things have happened, especially if you think back to the standards of the mid to late 20th century.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of personal vitriolic comments towards players rather than general booing of a team - obviously the racist, homophobic, etc comments are already illegal. But who knows how individual players react to what is deemed banter and what they're own perception of that is ( it is their workplace). It'll only take 1 player, or manager, to change the landscape.
I think players would hear worse from their counterparts rather than the crowd. Even if not, I think most players drown out crowd banter/noises.
Of course, there are exceptions. Eric Cantona comes to mind, but then again, his mother had just been called a 'French whore' according to reports. And he took matters into his own hands, and feet to be precise.
The abuser, a "Palace supporter Matthew Simmons, who had run down 11 rows of stairs to confront and shout abuse at Cantona. Simmons was alleged to have used the words "**** off back to France, you French bastard"." (according to Wikipedia) and copped a penalty too, "The fan that Cantona kicked, Simmons, went on trial separately where he claimed that he only shouted "Off! Off! Off! It's an early bath for you, Mr Cantona!", but was found guilty of abusive behavior and handed a £500 fine and banned from the stadium for a year. Immediately after the verdict was proclaimed, Simmons then assaulted prosecutor Jeffrey McCann for which he was sentenced to a week in jail plus an additional £500 fine as well as £200 in legal costs." Irony, Karma, whatever, as if you'd run down 11 rows of stairs to call out, "Off! Off! Off! It's an early bath for you, Mr Cantona!". Oh, how utterly demure of Mr. Simmons. Yeah, right. The Judge saw straight through that one.
Sure, not exactly to what you're alluding, but I doubt any court would rule against mere banter from the crowd. It'd have to be very offensive to get a judge to rule in the plaintiff's favour, just as in the Simmons' trial. And that was almost 30 years ago. Nowadays, the word '****' is bandied about like it was part of a Shakespearean sonnet.
Besides, players should know that they're going to cop some abuse from the spectators and as long as it's not "racist, homophobic, etc." then that is where it will end, imho.
With all the talk of not playing in the spirit of the game thrown about over the pass week, it really means squat when you see thing like this.
That's why its best to keep it on the field and move on, the game has a way of turning full circle and your left with egg on your face.
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Aussie fans accuse Ben Stokes of cheating after England skipper robbed Australia of a boundary with sneaky act - and even Nasser Hussain was left gobsmacked.
The English skipper's values took a remarkable U-turn at Headingley, though, when he claimed to save this boundary even though he clearly touched the rope.
That's why its best to keep it on the field and move on, the game has a way of turning full circle and your left with egg on your face.
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Aussie fans accuse Ben Stokes of cheating after England skipper robbed Australia of a boundary with sneaky act - and even Nasser Hussain was left gobsmacked.
- Stokes had strong words to say about Australia after second Test
- Claimed upholding the 'Spirit of Cricket' was most important
- Immediately shows his hypocrisy on day one of third Test
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The English skipper's values took a remarkable U-turn at Headingley, though, when he claimed to save this boundary even though he clearly touched the rope.
Aussies complaining about spectators getting on players' backs.....
I've heard it all now.
I've heard it all now.
Where did I complain? I'm clearly not. It's a question about the direction of sport. You really have a chip on your shoulder at the moment col. I know you don't like losing to us but get a grip man.
Yes steels. But let's say he doesn't go crazy and kick the guy but goes up to the board and says that this happens every week and you haven't provided me with a safe working environment and it's affecting my mental health. How would that play out?
It would only take one player to ask the question.
Anyway, it was just a thought - sometimes my mind wanders.
It would only take one player to ask the question.
Anyway, it was just a thought - sometimes my mind wanders.
I know I really shouldn't but,
.Cantona thought he was Bruce Lee but ended up like a Jackie Chan out-take!
And that Farcar Simmons was lucky not to end up being scraped off Cantona's studs like a piece of excrement. If the shoe fits, or maybe if the **** fits.